Petition for a declaration of nullity... Denied

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You are in my prayers, I agree with the 2 other posters, I went through an annulment (which was granted) and my witnesses had to be contacted. They had to submit a detailed account of what they remembered about my relationship before and after marriage. I somehow do not think they can rule on an annulment on just your say so.
 
To ljprevo, funnyyetsavvy, and Nordar:

Since posting I have many family and friends telling me the same thing that you 3 have told me… that I have not had a correct proceeding as far as the annulment is concerned. That may very well be true. The letter that I received states, “The officials of the tribunal staff have carefully reviewed the contents of your written testimony and have given this matter serious thought. Unfortunately, we have come to the conclusion that there is no provable basis for a declaration of nullity regarding your marriage to Ms. XXXXX XXXXXXX based on the information you have submitted with your petition.” They go on to say, “I realize that this is upsetting news for you. It has been our experience, however, that is better to terminate a case such as this in the beginning rather than allow you to endure the many months which the processing requires, only to reach the same conclusion.”

So it would seem that there was absolutely no investigation at all. Even my wife (ex-wife civilly) is questioning it, and she left the Church when we separated citing that she didn’t know where she stood when it came to God and religion.

It took me many many months to submit the paperwork the first time… many tears, many heartaches, and many regrets. I don’t think that I can do it all again. I also believe that this may simply be God’s will. It’s admittedly unusual to make a determination without an investigation, so perhaps God has played a role in all this and simply wishes me to remain a married man alone. I’m certainly no saint, so perhaps this is a form of penance. If I protest it or appeal it or even simply resubmit, wouldn’t I be going back on what I agreed I would do… to abide by whatever decision God and His Church decided? And as I said earlier, where is the up side? If the decision were reversed, would that bring closure and happiness? I don’t think so. The fact is, I never stopped being in love with my wife from the time we were married (20+ years ago) until now. Despite what the Church or society has to say concerning the matter I can not turn off my feelings. I will always love her. If the marriage were declared null, I would be free to pursue a monastic life within a religious order. This is where I thought God would have wanted me, but perhaps this decision indicates otherwise. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. I want to serve God with every breath (24/7). I want to be married to the woman I love. However, it now seems as though neither are options. Forgive me if this sounds like I am depressed, the fact is I am. I am so tired of this society, all I want is peace, perhaps some happiness, and to be close to God.
 
Tietjen,
Please forgive me if this sounds judgemental in any way, I do not mean it to be so. I am truly confused as to why you sought an annument in the first place. You seemed to have gone into it not knowing what you really wanted.
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    I don't know why you are content to take the refusal of the annulment as what God wants.  From what you have posted I would question why the STAFF of the Tribunal can decide you should not get one on your statement alone. The Tribunal itself is the one that should decide that and only after they have recieved testimony from everyone.  By the way your ex wife does not have to answer anything, My ex husaband didn't, they must try to contact her but she need not reply.

    If you really want to go into some religous order if I were you I would resubmit. Someone else mentioned on here that you could be a Deacon or a Priest, I am pretty sure in order to be either one you cannot simply be divorced you must have an annulment .
 
Hi again,
Just thinking here, I thought I read that in an Annulment book that you could resubmit all the documents in another Tribunal if you or she live in a different area or were married in a different area? Perhaps a meeting with a priest is in order to flesh out what more you could say about the situation.

It sounds like you really have ministerial aspirations and really, you do need to know that your case was honestly and prayerfully evaluated. It isn’t that you are not accepting God’s decision, I don’ t think. If proper form wasn’t followed, then how can you think that that is a true reflection of Him?

I would try again with more counsel, and if proper form is followed and the nullity is still denied, then you know.

That’s just my thinking, tho :o
 
I think it sounds like you need to spend more time talking to your ex-wife about what her intentions, doubts, or reservations were at the time that the two of you married. I think you need to give more consideration as to what your individual circumstances were and why you both chose to marry.

In reading your posts on this thread, I can see why your application was rejected for full Tribunal review. You believe that you were validly married. If you are not presenting them with any information that indicates that you might not have been, what else are they going to say?

I might be confusing you with another poster, but I seem to recall that the circumstances of your marriage were somewhat problematic.

It might have been painful for you to submit the application, but sometimes pain is necessary. If you want to know the truth about your marital status, you are going to need to go through the pain of sifting through the information. What I did before I submitted my application, was I went through old letter written by my ex husband to me when we were dating and when we were engaged. Those letters had a lot of answers for me, in black and white, things I had chosen to overlook. It is a painful but necessary process to go through, to look back and acknowledge our own mistakes that we made, even when we had good intentions.

I really reached deep…and with my preliminary questionnaire, I submitted a 45 page typed narrative. It was healing to thoroughly explore what had happened all of those years ago. I am hoping that you can find it in you to explore this in detail, even if it means having to let go of some perceptions that you hold dear.
 
I find it strange that the Tribunal will not even interview your witnesses, to get a different perspective on your marriage. Ditto for neglecting to contact your ex-wife to come in for an interview. I am going through the process now, and they have interviewed my witnesses, and my ex-husband. They are in the process of interviewing his witnesses too, according to the Tribunal official I talked to a few weeks ago.

It does not sound like the Tribunal in your case is following the procedures, and I would be pushing to make sure they do. Your spouse abandoned and divorced you. Where is the marriage? Unless they beleive she will come back to her senses and return to you? That is presumptious on their part, if that is the case.
 
Tietjen,
Please forgive me if this sounds judgemental in any way, I do not mean it to be so. I am truly confused as to why you sought an annument in the first place. You seemed to have gone into it not knowing what you really wanted.
You don’t sound judgmental and I didn’t take it that way.

There are two reasons why I petitioned the tribunal:
  1. I wanted the option of a monastic life placed back on the table. When I was young I seriously considered the priesthood. Then I met my wife, and the rest is history (so to speak). Today, I would not presume or even entertain the thought of becoming a Priest (I lack the patience and charity needed to be a Priest). However, I do love God and I would like to give my entire life back to him as a monk within a cloistered environment if He would accept me as such.
  2. When my wife and I married, we both had come from Catholic upbringings. When she and I separated, she also separated herself from God. She no longer went to mass, there was no more prayer, nothing. I had asked her about this and she said that she didn’t know where God fit into her life, or if He did. I believe that this “rejecting God” was brought out because she knew that destroying the marriage was wrong and she didn’t want to face or be reminded that what she was doing was wrong (just my opinion though). So if she pretended that there was no God, then what she was doing really didn’t matter. Anyway, after 20+ years of marriage and knowing my wife, I know that eventually she will one day seek out marriage. If she has rejected God and the Church (which she has at this point) she will not seek out an declaration of nullity prior to re-marrying and thus she will enter into an adulterous lifestyle. If that happens, I believe that the chances that she would ever come back to God and the Church are nil; because doing so she would have to not only admit that all of this was wrong to do, but she would have to cease living as wife and husband with whomever she was with at that time. So, basically the second reason why I have pursued this declaration of nullity is to hopefully make it easier some day for my wife to return to her faith.
What is NOT a reason for why I petitioned the tribunal is to someday marry. That will never again happen unless it is to my current wife.
I don’t know why you are content to take the refusal of the annulment as what God wants. From what you have posted I would question why the STAFF of the Tribunal can decide you should not get one on your statement alone. The Tribunal itself is the one that should decide that and only after they have recieved testimony from everyone. By the way your ex wife does not have to answer anything, My ex husaband didn’t, they must try to contact her but she need not reply.

If you really want to go into some religous order if I were you I would resubmit. Someone else mentioned on here that you could be a Deacon or a Priest, I am pretty sure in order to be either one you cannot simply be divorced you must have an annulment .
This is true and perhaps you and the several other posters are correct in that I should pursue this. I will consider that and I will make an appointment to speak with the deacon who has been assisting me with this entire process. However, right at this moment. I think that I need a break. This entire thing that friends, family, and religious have told me will help me heal has done nothing but cause extreme pain and sadness. Perhaps what you said is also true to some point; that I don’t know what I want. Actually, I do know what I want… to have my wife return so that we can begin to fix the marriage. However, since that isn’t going to happen, what is the next best thing I want to come out of this??? That is the problem. In 20+ years of marriage, I never thought about life without my wife. So, now that it’s a reality, I really don’t know what I personally want. I know that I love God. I know that I have trust issues against my fellow human beings. I know that I want to be a part of something bigger than myself and help produce something good… Therefore, I concluded that perhaps I could find some peace separated from the world in a monastic community, serving God and praying for others. As I said, I used this petition as part of the discerning process by saying, “If God wants me to be a monk the declaration will be granted. If God wants me to stay married but be alone (possibly penance for a lifetime of sins), then the petition will be denied.” I left it in God’s hands and that is why I am reluctant to fight the outcome. It almost seems as though I am fighting what God has willed for me in this situation. I can certainly understand if you see it differently, and perhaps I will eventually come to that conclusion as well, but right now, today, that is how I see it.
 
Hi again,
Just thinking here, I thought I read that in an Annulment book that you could resubmit all the documents in another Tribunal if you or she live in a different area or were married in a different area? Perhaps a meeting with a priest is in order to flesh out what more you could say about the situation.

It sounds like you really have ministerial aspirations and really, you do need to know that your case was honestly and prayerfully evaluated. It isn’t that you are not accepting God’s decision, I don’ t think. If proper form wasn’t followed, then how can you think that that is a true reflection of Him?

I would try again with more counsel, and if proper form is followed and the nullity is still denied, then you know.

That’s just my thinking, tho :o
I’ll be making an appointment with the deacon who has been helping me through this process and perhaps I’ll go forward on this once again. I don’t know for sure at this point because I still feel that had God wanted this to be granted nothing would have stopped it. I also am tired of the pain caused by this whole situation. I completed all the paperwork and simply held on to it for 6 months because of the sadness I was experiencing over the THOUGHT of turning them in. On the day I submitted it, I broke down. The divorce wasn’t even as painful for me. This whole thing has me turned completely upside down. I just want to feel peace again.
 
I think it sounds like you need to spend more time talking to your ex-wife about what her intentions, doubts, or reservations were at the time that the two of you married. I think you need to give more consideration as to what your individual circumstances were and why you both chose to marry.

In reading your posts on this thread, I can see why your application was rejected for full Tribunal review. You believe that you were validly married. If you are not presenting them with any information that indicates that you might not have been, what else are they going to say?
I believe that you are exactly right. Throughout the questionnaire that accompanied the petition, I did not presume to speak for my wife. I explained how and what I thought, but only stated facts rather than assumptions. Since true intentions can only be known by the individual who has them (and God), I would not answer for my wife. I advised, on the paperwork, that she would have to supply the answers concerning her intentions at the time of the marriage.
I might be confusing you with another poster, but I seem to recall that the circumstances of your marriage were somewhat problematic.
Yes, the marriage had it’s problems to be sure. However, since everything is based on the day of the marriage and the participants’ intentions, understandings, motivations, and mental capacities, I do not believe that there were any problems. Apparently, the staff at the tribunal do not as well.
It might have been painful for you to submit the application, but sometimes pain is necessary. If you want to know the truth about your marital status, you are going to need to go through the pain of sifting through the information. What I did before I submitted my application, was I went through old letter written by my ex husband to me when we were dating and when we were engaged. Those letters had a lot of answers for me, in black and white, things I had chosen to overlook. It is a painful but necessary process to go through, to look back and acknowledge our own mistakes that we made, even when we had good intentions.
Agreed, and I did that the first time around. I don’t know what else can be added on my part. What I submitted was everything as it related to the marriage from my point of view (thoughts, intentions, dreams, motivations, etc).
I really reached deep…and with my preliminary questionnaire, I submitted a 45 page typed narrative. It was healing to thoroughly explore what had happened all of those years ago. I am hoping that you can find it in you to explore this in detail, even if it means having to let go of some perceptions that you hold dear.
I hope so as well. However, right at this moment, I don’t know where else to explore, what else needs to be said, etc. I thought that I was very detailed, but as I said, I refused to make assumptions as to the intentions that my wife may have had. I stated the facts and what she said and/or did in certain areas, but I did not draw conclusions for them based on this as to her intentions or motivations. I believed that when they notified her, that she would (or perhaps would not) provide that. But for whatever reason, they choose to end the process rather than go that far into the investigation.
 
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