Petition for all to celebrate Easter on same day

[coco2]

Not sure where to put this, but here is a link to a site where you can sign a petition in favor of all Christians celebrating Easter on the same day.

onedate.org/

I pray for this first step to happen, and also pray for unity!

 

[Zekariya]

The First Ecumenical Council already decided, “By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there should be any division.” The Orthodox Church still obeys that decision.

ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.vii.x.html

 

[waterbender]

how can you make others celebrate Easter in union? So many other catholics and christians make a point of NOT celebrating Easter with the Roman Church.

 

[coco2]

The First Ecumenical Council already decided, “By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there should be any division.” The Orthodox Church still obeys that decision.

ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.vii.x.html

What is the date of this council? So are you saying that it is the Roman church that has gone against this? RC and the Orthodox use different calendars.

 

[Zekariya]

What is the date of this council? So are you saying that it is the Roman church that has gone against this? RC and the Orthodox use different calendars.

The Orthodox use the same (Julian) calendar that those of the First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. The west stopped using the Julian Calendar. They now use the Gregorian Calendar. Thus there are two Easter dates. The Orthodox are not going to change the date of Easter because the west wants a common Easter. There was a common Easter but the west abandoned that Easter.

 

[coco2]

The Orthodox use the same (Julian) calendar that those of the First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. The west stopped using the Julian Calendar. They now use the Gregorian Calendar. Thus there are two Easter dates. The Orthodox are not going to change the date of Easter because the west wants a common Easter. There was a common Easter but the west abandoned that Easter.

How about what God wants? He wants a common Easter. Do you think He cares which calendar is in use? I doubt that.

 

[coco2]

By the way, what are the reasons the RC changed to the Gregorian calendar?

 

[Zekariya]

How about what God wants? He wants a common Easter. Do you think He cares which calendar is in use? I doubt that.

Where in the Bible or Tradition does it teach that there should be one Easter? First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. Your Gregorian Calendar was invented in 1582. Why don’t you follow the Julian Calendar as it is what the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils followed.

 

[Montalo]

if you want a common Pascha, then come back to tradition

 

[coco2]

Where in the Bible or Tradition does it teach that there should be one Easter? First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. Your Gregorian Calendar was invented in 1582. Why don’t you follow the Julian Calendar as it is what the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils followed.

Oh my goodness. God never intended for us to separate in the first place. That is man’s doing. The calendar was changed because according to what I found online:

The Gregorian Calendar
During the Middle Ages, it began to became apparent that the Julian leap year formula had overcompensated for the actual length of a solar year, having added an extra day every 128 years. However, no adjustments were made to compensate. By 1582, seasonal equinoxes were falling 10 days “too early,” and some church holidays, such as Easter, did not always fall in the proper seasons. In that year, Pope Gregory XIII authorized, and most Roman Catholic countries adopted, the “Gregorian” or “New Style” Calendar." As part of the change, ten days were dropped from the month of October, and the formula for determining leap years was revised so that only years divisible by 400 (e.g., 1600, 2000) at the end of a century would be leap years. January 1 was established as the first day of the new year.

 

[Zekariya]

Oh my goodness. God never intended for us to separate in the first place. That is man’s doing. The calendar was changed because according to what I found online:

The Gregorian Calendar
During the Middle Ages, it began to became apparent that the Julian leap year formula had overcompensated for the actual length of a solar year, having added an extra day every 128 years. However, no adjustments were made to compensate. By 1582, seasonal equinoxes were falling 10 days “too early,” and some church holidays, such as Easter, did not always fall in the proper seasons. In that year, Pope Gregory XIII authorized, and most Roman Catholic countries adopted, the “Gregorian” or “New Style” Calendar." As part of the change, ten days were dropped from the month of October, and the formula for determining leap years was revised so that only years divisible by 400 (e.g., 1600, 2000) at the end of a century would be leap years. January 1 was established as the first day of the new year.

I appeal to Church Tradition not Pope Gregory XIII. I’ll let others carry this conversation further.

As-Salamu alaykum,
zekariya

 

[MarkThompson]

Where in the Bible or Tradition does it teach that there should be one Easter? First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. Your Gregorian Calendar was invented in 1582. Why don’t you follow the Julian Calendar as it is what the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils followed.

And some centuries hence, you’ll be celebrating Easter in June, then July, then September. A harvest-time “Pascha”? Yes, I’m sure that’s exactly what the First Council of Nicaea was trying to accomplish.

 

[Acolythus_sum]

Where in the Bible or Tradition does it teach that there should be one Easter? First Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. Your Gregorian Calendar was invented in 1582. Why don’t you follow the Julian Calendar as it is what the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils followed.

You mean the Ecumenical Councils which occurred before 1582.

 

[waterbender]

RC and the Orthodox use different calendars.

Yeah, God sends the Orthodox a miracle EVERY year telling them to celebrate Easter on the Roman Catholics’ calendar.

The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs only on the Easter Vigil of the Catholic Church, NOT on the easter vigil of the Orthodox, much to the dismay of the Byzantines! They retreive the fire and distribute it, but *the fire miraculously appears *in the tomb of Jesus on the Easter vigil of the Roman Church.

2008• March 23 - Easter Sunday (Western)
• April 27 - Easter Sunday (Orthodox)
2009 Easter Sunday April 12 (same)
2010 Easter Sunday April 4 (same)
2011 - Easter Sunday - April 24th (same)
2012 - Easter Sunday - April 15th
2013 - Easter Sunday - May 5th
2014 - Easter Sunday - April 20th (same)
2015 - Easter Sunday - April 12th
2016 - Easter Sunday - May 1st
2017 - Easter Sunday - April 16th (same)

 

[Edward_H]

By the way, what are the reasons the RC changed to the Gregorian calendar?

The prior calendar design was empirically determined to be short by 19 (something like that) minutes a year.

 

[coco2]

Yeah, God sends the Orthodox a miracle EVERY year telling them to celebrate Easter on the Roman Catholics’ calendar.

The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs only on the Easter Vigil of the Catholic Church, NOT on the easter vigil of the Orthodox, much to the dismay of the Byzantines! They retreive the fire and distribute it, but *the fire miraculously appears *in the tomb of Jesus on the Easter vigil of the Roman Church.

2008• March 23 - Easter Sunday (Western)
• April 27 - Easter Sunday (Orthodox)
2009 Easter Sunday April 12 (same)
2010 Easter Sunday April 4 (same)
2011 - Easter Sunday - April 24th (same)
2012 - Easter Sunday - April 15th
2013 - Easter Sunday - May 5th
2014 - Easter Sunday - April 20th (same)
2015 - Easter Sunday - April 12th
2016 - Easter Sunday - May 1st
2017 - Easter Sunday - April 16th (same)

What’s this about fire miraculously appearing?

 

[laszlo]

APPENDIX

A DECLARATION OF THE SECOND ECUMENICAL COUNCIL OF THE VATICAN ON REVISION OF THE CALENDAR

The Second Ecumenical Sacred Council of the Vatican, recognizing the importance of the wishes expressed by many concerning the assignment of the feast of Easter to a fixed Sunday and concerning an unchanging calendar, having carefully considered the effects which could result from the introduction of a new calendar, declares as follows:

The Sacred Council would not object if the feast of Easter were assigned to a particular Sunday of the Gregorian Calendar, provided that those whom it may concern, especially the brethren who are not in communion with the Apostolic See, give their assent.
The sacred Council likewise declares that it does not oppose efforts designed to introduce a perpetual calendar into civil society.

But among the various systems which are being suggested to stabilize a perpetual calendar and to introduce it into civil life, the Church has no objection only in the case of those systems which retain and safeguard a seven-day week with Sunday, without the introduction of any days outside the week, so that the succession of weeks may be left intact, unless there is question of the most serious reasons. Concerning these the Apostolic See shall judge.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html

Thus far there were two related decisions:

The Council of Nicea determined Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon after the spring equilibrium. This could make the Easter apart from the Jewish passover (we celebrate Sunday, they celebrate Saturday).

In 1576 Pope Gregory XIII reformed the Julian Calendar as an acknowledgement that the astronomical year is somewhat longer than it was calculated earlier. The Easterens did not accepted this change.

The probable long term resulution will be the perpetual calendar (I have no idea why the Church rejected it in the time of the council.).

 

[JohnVIII]

Amen to that! :bowdown2:

As for me, I will follow the Orthodox calculation for Pascha, but any of my Western Brothers in Christ who follow a newer calculation in obedience to their lawful Church authorities I say “amen” to God’s blessing for you to do so! I am happy that at least sometimes we have the same day and can rejoice together!

A little side note though, some of you have said that it is the Julian Calender vs the Gregorian Calender that has made the dates sometimes different. This is not entirely true. The actual calculation is different. The newer way to calculate Easter is much simpler than the older way. The newer way is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox. The older way is much more complex. Here is the older formula:

The Following procedure gives the Julian Calendar date for Pascha in any year:

1. 
   *]Divide the year by 4. Discard the whole number quotient. The remainder = a.
   *]Divide the year by 7. Discard the quotient. The remainder = b.
   *]Divide the year by 19. Discard the quotient. The remainder = c.
   *]Compute (19c + 15) / 30. Discard the quotient. The remainder = d.
   *]Compute (2a + 4b - d + 34) / 7. Discard the quotient. The remainder = e.
   *]Compute (d + e + 114) / 31. The quotient = f. The remainder = g.
   
   “f” is the month in which Pascha occurs (3 = March; 4 = April)
   “g + 1” is the day of the month.
   
   Most of the world continued to follow this older “Orthodox” date for Easter even after the new date was started by Rome in October of 1582. It wasn’t until England switched in 1752 that the newer formula was more widely followed (except by the Orthodox).

 

[PacoG]

The First Ecumenical Council already decided, “By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there should be any division.” The Orthodox Church still obeys that decision.

ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.vii.x.html

I was always taught that the Council of Jerusalem in the Acts of the Apostles was the first Ecumenical Council.

 

[coco2]

Well, Happy Easter to all Roman and Orthodox. I’m sure all of heaven sings when everyone is celebrating this day together.

I pray that God leads the way to bring us back to union. Obviously, pride is getting in the way of both the" right and left lung" of the one true Church.