Petitions of the Lords Prayer: WHY?

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Why did Jesus when asked by the Apostles “Lord, PLEASE teach us to pray” use the petitions that He Did and wants us to use [and I assume follow?]

Luke.11:1-3 "He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, "When you pray,
say: “Father, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread;
***and forgive us our sins,
[AS] for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us;
and lead us not into temptation.”***AMEN?

What is meant by the final 3 petitions
And in particular especially the one: “forgive us our sins?”
 
Have you checked out what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about this.

Paragraphs 2803-2806 - talk about the petitions generally

Paragraphs 2838-2854 - deal with the petitions that you are seeking about.

Also look at the Roman Catechism for more (name removed by moderator)ut under Part IV.

God bless.
 
IMHO,

We need to look at the rest of the passage:

[bibledrb]Luke 11:5-13[/bibledrb]
And forgive us our sins,
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Like a friend asking you for bread at an unreasonable hour. We ask God to forgive our sins, our sins are never reasonable. Still with repentance and persistence we confess to our Lord our sins seeking His forgiveness and guidance.
or we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.
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In the parable, even thou the unreasonable request was denied at first. One forgives his friend’s unreasonable request and understands that the friend needs help. The friend recognizes that the request is not reasonable but still insists because he has a need to tend not only himself but another friend. Like the Lord forgives us, we are to forgive others because we ourselves are forgiven.
And lead us not into temptation.
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Hardship (Trials) and temptation make obedience more difficult and will sometimes result in sin. We should pray to be delivered from temptation. At first the requesting friend was denied. He was persistent throughout the request, the giving friend could have denied him still. However, in the end he avoided being egoistical and answered his friend request, even when it was unreasonable.

A major point is that the 3 petitions are in the 3rd person plural. Driving the point that the petitions should be done not only as an individual but more importantly as a community of believers and followers of Christ.

God Bless.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Have you checked out what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about this.

Paragraphs 2803-2806 - talk about the petitions generally

Paragraphs 2838-2854 - deal with the petitions that you are seeking about.

Also look at the Roman Catechism for more (name removed by moderator)ut under Part IV.

God bless.
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I think he is looking for interaction 😃
 
PJM said:
Why did Jesus when asked by the Apostles “Lord, PLEASE teach us to pray” use the petitions that He Did and wants us to use [and I assume follow?]

Luke.11:1-3 "He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, "When you pray,
say: “Father, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread;
***and forgive us our sins,
[AS] for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us;
and lead us not into temptation.”***AMEN?

What is meant by the final 3 petitions
And in particular especially the one: “forgive us our sins?”
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Forgive us our sins: God has the power to forgive sins. Because God is God he could just one day decide that he did not want to he just wouldn’t. Lucky for us it is not in God’s nature to do that but we should still keep in mind that God forgives us of his own free will.

for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us: as is stated in the parable of the master and his servants, God has mercy and forgives us so we should do the same to each other or bad things will happen sooner or later.

And lead us not into temptation: We are asking God to give us the streangth to resist sin.

Hope this helps,
Athanasius.
 
=Little One0307;8197076]Have you checked out what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about this.
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Paragraphs 2803-2806 - talk about the petitions generally
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Paragraphs 2838-2854 - deal with the petitions that you are seeking about.
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Also look at the Roman Catechism for more (name removed by moderator)ut under Part IV.
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God bless.
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YES, and THNAK YOU. I’m quite filmiliar with it. use it all the time.

I’m looking for the protestant perspective?

LOVE your angel!
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
IMHO,

A major point is that the 3 petitions are in the 3rd person plural. Driving the point that the petitions should be done not only as an individual but more importantly as a community of believers and followers of Christ.

God Bless.
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:o I meant 2nd person 😊
 
PJM said:
Why did Jesus when asked by the Apostles “Lord, PLEASE teach us to pray” use the petitions that He Did and wants us to use [and I assume follow?]

Luke.11:1-3 "He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, "When you pray,
say: “Father, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread;
***and forgive us our sins,
[AS] for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us;
and lead us not into temptation.”***AMEN?

What is meant by the final 3 petitions
And in particular especially the one: “forgive us our sins?”
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Well when I was instructed originaly on this it was from Luther’s Small Catechism

The Fifth Petition.

And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

What does this mean?

We pray in this petition that our Father in heaven would not look upon our sins, nor deny such petitions on account of them; for we are worthy of none of the things for which we pray, neither have we deserved them; but that He would grant them all to us by grace; for we daily sin much, and indeed deserve nothing but punishment. So will we verily, on our part, also heartily forgive and also readily do good to those who sin against us.
 
PJM said:
Why did Jesus when asked by the Apostles “Lord, PLEASE teach us to pray” use the petitions that He Did and wants us to use [and I assume follow?]

Luke.11:1-3 "He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, "When you pray,
say: “Father, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread;
***and forgive us our sins,
[AS] for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us;
and lead us not into temptation.”***AMEN?

What is meant by the final 3 petitions
And in particular especially the one: “forgive us our sins?”
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Hi,
These three are conditions to distance ourselves from sin.
  1. forgive - must ask for his mercy or we don’t receive it
  2. others - must give mercy to receive mercy or we don’t receive it
  3. not into - asking for grace to stay away from sin or we won’t be able to
 
PJM said:
YES, and THNAK YOU. I’m quite filmiliar with it. use it all the time.

I’m looking for the protestant perspective?

LOVE your angel!
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Ahh okay.

And thanks.

God bless.
 
=Isaiah45_9;8197106]IMHO,
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We need to look at the rest of the passage:
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[bibledrb]Luke 11:5-13[/bibledrb]
Click to expand...
Like a friend asking you for bread at an unreasonable hour. We ask God to forgive our sins, our sins are never reasonable. Still with repentance and persistence we confess to our Lord our sins seeking His forgiveness and guidance.
Click to expand...
In the parable, even thou the unreasonable request was denied at first. One forgives his friend’s unreasonable request and understands that the friend needs help. The friend recognizes that the request is not reasonable but still insists because he has a need to tend not only himself but another friend. Like the Lord forgives us, we are to forgive others because we ourselves are forgiven.
Click to expand...
Hardship (Trials) and temptation make obedience more difficult and will sometimes result in sin. We should pray to be delivered from temptation. At first the requesting friend was denied. He was persistent throughout the request, the giving friend could have denied him still. However, in the end he avoided being egoistical and answered his friend request, even when it was unreasonable.
Click to expand...
A major point is that the 3 petitions are in the 3rd person plural. Driving the point that the petitions should be done not only as an individual but more importantly as a community of believers and followers of Christ.
Click to expand...
God Bless.
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VERY WELL ONE, Your resources are EXCELLENT. I use them too.🙂

Thank you!

But how are our sins forgiven?
 
=workingman;8197402]Well when I was instructed originaly on this it was from Luther’s Small Catechism
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The Fifth Petition.
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And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Click to expand...
What does this mean?
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We pray in this petition that our Father in heaven would not look upon our sins, nor deny such petitions on account of them; for we are worthy of none of the things for which we pray, neither have we deserved them; but that He would grant them all to us by grace; for we daily sin much, and indeed deserve nothing but punishment. So will we verily, on our part, also heartily forgive and also readily do good to those who sin against us.
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Very Good,

But within the Luthern Tradition, how is forgiveness of sin accomplished?
 
=fred conty;8197500]Hi,
These three are conditions to distance ourselves from sin.
  1. forgive - must ask for his mercy or we don’t receive it
  2. others - must give mercy to receive mercy or we don’t receive it
  3. not into - asking for grace to stay away from sin or we won’t be able to
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WOW! 👍

Thank you,
 
PJM said:
VERY WELL ONE, Your resources are EXCELLENT. I use them too.🙂

Thank you!

But how are our sins forgiven?
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By our Lord’s Grace.

Original Sin by Baptism. This needs to happen only once.

Other sins by repentance, confession and belief/faith in Jesus Christ our Most Excellent Savior!!!
 
PJM said:
Very Good,

But within the Luthern Tradition, how is forgiveness of sin accomplished?
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Hi Pat,
The Augsburg Confession says:

Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted 2] and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these 3] two parts: One is contrition, that is, 4] terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of 5] the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ’s sake, sins are forgiven, comforts 6] the conscience, and delivers it from terrors.

Does that help?

Jon
 
PJM said:
Very Good,

But within the Luthern Tradition, how is forgiveness of sin accomplished?
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Well I would answer but JonNC gave a very good answer to the Lutheran side of it. I can’t think of anything to add to it at the moment.
 
This is from Luther’s Small Catechism which every confirmand at our church is required to memorize:

[III] The Lord’s Prayer
in the plain form in which the head of the family shall teach it to his household1

[Introduction]
1 “Our Father who art in heaven.”2
2 What does this mean?
Answer: Here God would encourage us to believe that he is truly our Father and we are truly his children in order that we may approach him boldly and confidently in prayer, even as beloved children approach their dear father.(tr-547)

The First Petition
“Hallowed be thy name.”
4 What does this mean?
Answer: To be sure, God’s name is holy in itself, but we pray in this petition that it may also be holy for us.
5 How is this done?
Answer: When the Word of God is taught clearly and purely and we, as children of God, lead holy lives in accordance with it. Help us to do this, dear Father in heaven! But whoever teaches and lives otherwise than as the Word of God teaches, profanes the name of God among us. From this preserve us, heavenly Father!

The Second Petition
“Thy kingdom come.”
7 What does this mean?
Answer: To be sure, the kingdom of God comes of itself, without our prayer, but we pray in this petition that it may also come to us.
8 How is this done?
Answer: When the heavenly Father gives us his Holy Spirit so that by his grace we may believe his holy Word and live a godly life, both here in time and hereafter forever.

The Third Petition
“Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.”
10 What does this mean?
Answer: To be sure, the good and gracious will of God is done without our prayer, but we pray in this petition that it may also be done by us.
11 How is this done?
Answer: When God curbs and destroys every evil counsel and purpose of the devil, of the world, and of our flesh which would hinder us from hallowing his name and prevent the coming of his kingdom, and when he strengthens us and keeps us steadfast in his Word and in faith even to the end. This is his good and gracious will.

The Fourth Petition
“Give us this day our daily bread.”
13 What does this mean?
Answer: To be sure, God provides daily bread, even to the wicked, without our prayer, but we pray in this petition that God may make us aware of his gifts and enable us to receive our daily bread with thanksgiving.
14 What is meant by daily bread?
Answer: Everything required to satisfy our bodily needs, such as food and clothing, house and home, fields and flocks, money and property; a pious spouse and good children, (tr-549)trustworthy servants, godly and faithful rulers, good government; seasonable weather, peace and health, order and honor; true friends, faithful neighbors, and the like.

The Fifth Petition
“And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”
16 What does this mean?
Answer: We pray in this petition that our heavenly Father may not look upon our sins, and on their account deny our prayers, for we neither merit nor deserve those things for which we pray. Although we sin daily and deserve nothing but punishment, we nevertheless pray that God may grant us all things by his grace. And assuredly we on our part will heartily forgive and cheerfully do good to those who may sin against us.

The Sixth Petition
“And lead us not into temptation.”
18 What does this mean?
Answer: God tempts no one to sin, but we pray in this petition that God may so guard and preserve us that the devil, the world, and our flesh may not deceive us or mislead us into unbelief, despair, and other great and shameful sins, but that, although we may be so tempted, we may finally prevail and gain the victory.

The Seventh Petition
“But deliver us from evil.”
20 What does this mean?
Answer: We pray in this petition, as in a summary, that our Father in heaven may deliver us from all manner of evil, whether it affect body or soul, property or reputation, and that at last, when the hour of death comes, he may grant us a blessed end and graciously take us from this world of sorrow to himself in heaven.

[Conclusion]
“Amen.”3
21 What does this mean?
Answer: It means that I should be assured that such petitions are acceptable to our heavenly Father and are heard by him, for he himself commanded us to pray like this and promised to hear us. “Amen, amen” means “Yes, yes, it shall be so.”(tr-551)

Tappert, Theodore G.: The Book of Concord : The Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Philadelphia : Fortress Press, 2000, c1959, S. 346:signofcross:
 
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