Pew: 77% of Catholics who are Democrats say abortion should be legal

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lwest said:
I would agree that they have no real knowledge of the faith or they have chosen to reject it…because they’re really missing something if they think killing unborn babies is ok.
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They would have no knowledge of the faith? None??? Wrong on one point and you deem they are 100% ignorant? I do not know that I could say that anyone knows everything, and I know we should not say anyone knows nothing, especially as I do not wish to be judged by that standard, and we are judged as we judge others. I do not know I could make 100 on a Catholicism test.

I think it can only be said that they are ignorant on what the Church has said about abortion being illegal, or perhaps ignorant of the moral law that teaches how abortion is one of the gravest of evils. It might be that there catechisis is very poor in general, but to say they know nothing seems a might extreme.
stpurl said:
Most of them don’t even truly carry out the whole thinking because it upsets them;
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Likely true in many cases. I think we might be a little understanding though if we remember it is in our nature to justify our sin, either with argument or simply not thinking about it. In any case, it is more important that such people be saved and go to Heaven than cut off and castigated. I have never known the approach that most people here take to abortion supporters to ever accomplish anything beyond a cyberspace filler.

If thinking about the morality of abortion upsets people, then we should begin at some point that can be accepted, like the authority of the Church, or the general value of life, and go from there.

If the issue is the legality of abortion, then legal arguments might prevail where moral arguments do not. It all comes down to whether our goal is to limit abortions, increase penalties for abortions, win arguments, or proclaim our moral superiority. Those are questions one must answer for himself.
 
I would also point out, that this question is beyond that of the morality of abortion, which is doctrinally certain, and is instead about whether the it should be illegal, which is another matter, but still something the Church teaches, just like She teaches the death penalty should not be legal, that consistent life ethic. This is important if we push the whole 100% thing.
 
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I’m responding to the topic question. I’m not clear on what names and organizations you’d like from me.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
And if they do, it’s going to be no-holds-barred from then on, and when the Democrats control both the presidency and the Senate, as Schumer said, “nothing is off the table.”
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Especially if Kamala Harris becomes President of the USA.
 
pnewton said:
It all comes down to whether our goal is to limit abortions, increase penalties for abortions, win arguments, or proclaim our moral superiority.
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With an eye to practicality and sustainability, our objectives should include to reduce the “demand” for abortion.
 
Rau said:
With an eye to practicality and sustainability, our objectives should include to reduce the “demand” for abortion.
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Our objective should always echo the teachings of the Church. Abortion is intrinsically evil and objectively immoral. Yes, we also need to fight smaller, intermittent battles. We need to avoid distractions that take us away from the teachings of the Church. It seems that many Catholics prioritize their political beliefs over the need to end abortion.
 
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Randolph said:
Our objective should always echo the teachings of the Church.
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Right. And the teaching of the Church is that the most important thing is Heaven and Hell, that is, the salvation of souls. In light of that, reducing mortal sin is more important than any law. Laws can only serve as means, not ends.
 
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pnewton said:
Right. And the teaching of the Church is that the most important thing is Heaven and Hell, that is, the salvation of souls. In light of that, reducing mortal sin is more important than any law. Laws can only serve as means, not ends.
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I am not going to off tangent arguments that will lead to no end with you. Abortion is evil. Millions of babies throughout the world are slaughtered every year. It’s is an urgency. Fighting abortion must take priority period. Don’t let your political beliefs distract you from it.
 
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Randolph said:
Don’t let your political beliefs distract you from it.
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I understand that this must be a generic “your” as you know nothing about me.

However, if you are going to cite the objective of the Church, it is no tangent to be clear of that objective.

And of course abortion is evil, and fighting it is one of the higher priorities.
 
Freddy said:
That didn’t asnswer the question though. Which was: Do you have to believe literally everything the church teaches to be considered a Catholic?
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No. A “nominal” Catholic may be labeled so as one who rejects a constant Magisterial teaching on matters of faith and morals.
 
Randolph said:
It seems that many Catholics prioritize their political beliefs over the need to end abortion.
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It does not follow that making abortion illegal next week and recognizing it at law for what it is - killing an innocent human being - is the most important thing we can do to lessen the rate of abortion. And it may be a course fraught with all other manner of ill consequences. Hence I believe addressing issues that will lessen the demand is an essential component in the drive to eliminate this scourge.
 
lwest said:
I’m responding to the topic question. I’m not clear on what names and organizations you’d like from me.
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Simple. You wrote: “They think killing unborn babies is OK.” I’m just curious who “they” is. I’ve followed this topic for about 45 years and I have yet to find anyone who thinks “killing unborn babies is OK.” I must be missing something. Enlighten me. And keep in mind if YOU have a definition of “unborn baby” that doesn’t matter–you’re talking about “they,” other people. Do you know of anyone who has ever said or written “killing unborn babies is OK”? I don’t.
 
Written in true Christian charity. Why not go a step further and burn them at the stake?
 
Freddy said:
Do you have to believe literally everything the church teaches to be considered a Catholic?
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The Profession of Faith that I made when I was accepted into full communion with the Church was, in it’s entirety, “I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God”. The key part there, to me, is “revealed by God”. Please note that I am making no statement about any particular belief, so don’t try the “are you saying” bit here; it won’t wash.
 
“They”: people who support abortion, who want it legalized, as mentioned in the OP.

“Abortion”: killing an unborn baby.

“Abortion is murder” is a common phrase that I would imagine you have heard in your years of studying. “murder”: killing.

I think you should be able to put it all together now. Perhaps questioning the OP would help you have more clarity
 
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Is the word “think” throwing you. I used the word think because if someone supports something, it’s logical to conclude that they think it’s ok.

And now, I think I have covered all of your concerns.

Again, perhaps if you really are that confused you could question the OP.
 
Oh, and yes, I have met people who have said abortion is ok. No, I will not be sharing their personal information. Whether you believe me or not is not an issue with me.
 
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