Pew Survey: Only half of Catholics know teaching on Eucharist

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Parents are their children’s primary educator. Period. As a teacher I tire of parents blaming me for their children’s attitudes, behaviour and ignorance. Too many parents to day have abdicated their responsibility as primary educator of their offspring.
 
If a student refuses to come to class, and isn’t really engaged in the process of learning when he actually does show up, is that the fault of the teacher or of the student? Let’s face it: for some reason, folks think that, in the context of a 6-9 minute homily, people are going to gain a deep knowledge of Scripture, learn the Catechism, be exposed to the riches of the teachings of moral theology, and be reminded of all the parish activities going on that week! (Let’s not forget to add that only about 25% of Catholics bother to go to Mass each week, and therefore, are the only ones to hear that homily!)

So… no. I’m not sure I’d pin this one on the hierarchy.
I did not literally mean that the hierarchy should be the ones directly delivering the teaching. One of the roles of a bishop is teacher of the Faith. They have a responsibility to ensure that the faithful are taught the true and orthodox Catholic Faith properly.

You would be very welcome to come to my school and explain to parents that it is not my responsibility nor that of my colleagues to teach their children everything. Parents are their children’s primary educator.
 
I remember reading, a while back, a similarly direly-worded report that detailed the fact that Americans’ lack of knowledge of geography was horrendous. (IIRC, around half of Americans couldn’t find the state of New York on the map.)

Maybe the ones who can find NYC are also able to articulate the essence of the argument for transubstantiation, and those who can’t distinguish NYC from LA are also among those who can’t discuss the Eucharist in any great detail. 🤷‍♂️
It’s not just geography. It’s even basic life skills like personal financial management, or basic science knowledge.

I know people from New Mexico who have tried to present their driver’s license for ID only to be told that their “foreign” driver’s license isn’t good enough as ID.

I wish it were a rare event but I’ve heard that this is a fairly common experience for residents of New Mexico.
 
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I know people from New Mexico who have tried to present their driver’s license for ID only to be told that their “foreign” driver’s license isn’t good enough as ID.

I wish it were a rare event but I’ve heard that this is a fairly common experience for residents of New Mexico.
I worked in international marketing–exporting. It was a company based on the East Coast. My associate asked me why we weren’t exporting to New Mexico…
 
A relative once worked for a travel agency and she told me that people usually ask if one needed a passport to travel to New Mexico.
 
It is possible respondents were indicating if they believed the teaching, as opposed to if they were aware of the teaching. Depending on how the questions were asked, I can see how this could happen.
 
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There are several surveys like this. Here is one from CARA, at Georgetown:


Their findings were that if you asked Catholics who attended Mass on a weekly+ basis, 91% believed in the Real Presence. (p. 16 of this section, p. 53 of whole report)

But perhaps the most interesting (I think!) is on p. 17 / p. 55–they asked Catholics who attended Mass at least once a month about their belief in the Real Presence, and then compared with answers in the past:

pre-Vatican II 86% believed
during Vat. II 74% believed
post Vat. II 75% believed
Millennials 85% beleived

So from that I think there’s room for optimism–millennials are back to pre-Vat. II levels!
 
Parents need to know how many kids fall away from the faith by age X, how many more fall away by age Y, etc. Or how many kids think [choose a topic] is moral and ok. How many of them these days are questioning who they like or if they’re even a boy or a girl. How many of them are preoccupied with material goods over spiritual goods, etc.
Can’t parents just figure this out by talking to their own kids? Why does a pastor need to tell them this? This is part of the problem. Kids get talked at, not talked to. When kids are talked at, they tend to shut down, not listen, not pay attention, etc. For a variety of reasons, “indoctrination”, in the sense the word was used in the past, no longer works on most kids the way it once did. This much is clear, by the numbers alone. New methods should be developed if a positive oucome is desired.
 
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My mom grew up and was educated in the “golden age” of the 1950’s in the US. She is the only practicing Catholic among her group friends with the same background.
Neither of her siblings could adequately explain any Catholic belief at this point in their lives either.
I know many, many others who were educated during the 1930’s-early 1960’s who arw thw same.
So the rot/decay of meaningful catechesis didn’t start post-VII, it waa brewing long before. VII just turned up he heat.
This was also the situation in my dad’s family. They all went to Catholic School in the 1940s. The boys went to a Catholic Prep school for High School. My grandfather got mad at the church and my grandparents stopped attending, but they sent their children every week. Only my dad was practicing out of his eight siblings and he was poorly catechized until he was in his sixties. On the other hand is my grandfather’s brother’s family. They went to the same schools and were members of the same parish as my dad’s family. They produced a sister, two Religious brothers, and two priests.

The faith of the parents and how it is lived out in the home makes the difference.
 
Can’t parents just figure this out by talking to their own kids? Why does a pastor need to tell them this? This is part of the problem. Kids get talked at, not talked to. When kids are talked at, they tend to shut down, not listen, not pay attention, etc. For a variety of reasons, “indoctrination”, in the sense the word was used in the past, no longer works on most kids the way it once did. This much is clear, by the numbers alone. New methods should be developed if a positive oucome is desired.
The Pastor and Parish should be Catholic parents’ spiritual guides for raising their children in the faith. There is plenty of advice for parents on how to keep their kids occupied, dress them, feed them healthy, get them into good schools, etc…any morning show or magazine will right now have the inevitable “how to get your kids ready to go back to school” stories as the next school year begins. My comment was focused on the parents receiving guidance from the Church on these matters. And I don’t think a solution is “talking at” anyone, so I agree with you there. But sometimes you need a presentation of facts to make a point.
 
The Pastor and Parish should be Catholic parents’ spiritual guides for raising their children in the faith. There is plenty of advice for parents on how to keep their kids occupied, dress them, feed them healthy, get them into good schools, etc…any morning show or magazine will right now have the inevitable “how to get your kids ready to go back to school” stories as the next school year begins. My comment was focused on the parents receiving guidance from the Church on these matters. And I don’t think a solution is “talking at” anyone, so I agree with you there. But sometimes you need a presentation of facts to make a point.
Most every parish that I’ve seen has a multitude of these resources, from printed material in the bulletin to links on the website, to talks sponsored by the parish. All adults, not just parents, need to make use of the resources that are made available.
 
There are fifteen questions in the linked quiz here. Scoring 15/15 is easy. Is there some longer version?
The linked article reports on a quiz with “32 fact-based, multiple-choice questions about topics related to religion. The average U.S. adult is able to answer fewer than half of them (about 14) correctly.“ (second paragraph)

That article links to the 15 question quiz you describe. “The short quiz includes some questions recently asked in the nationally representative survey that forms the basis of this report.” It is easy to read this as “includes the questions…” Maybe instead of 15/15, some really scored 15/16 because they read the description wrong?
 
what I wonder is why “non-practicing” Catholics try to push believers away?
 
I know people from New Mexico who have tried to present their driver’s license for ID only to be told that their “foreign” driver’s license isn’t good enough as ID.

I wish it were a rare event but I’ve heard that this is a fairly common experience for residents of New Mexico.
People from New Mexico have dozens of experiences like that. I subscribed for a couple years to “New Mexico” magazine because I liked the state’s food, furniture and fashions when I visited. They had a section in the magazine that every month listed humorous stories about New Mexico being mistaken for a foreign country. The post office, major newspapers (which in those days still had editors) and other organizations you would expect to have a brain working all made such mistakes. The magazine would have about 10 such stories per monthly issue to report.

As I’ve said before, people usually make mistakes about math, science, history or geography because they don’t need to know that stuff in their daily life. I myself have a ridiculous amount of education and yet I have still had moments when my husband had to explain some point of science or history to me because I had never encountered it or needed to know it, so I just didn’t have a clue. The person who cannot find New York on a map likewise may be the best auto mechanic in town or a whiz at gardening, video games, or chatting up potential dates.
 
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What I mean is when you try follow the church, you often won’t be respected.
 
You would be very welcome to come to my school and explain to parents that it is not my responsibility nor that of my colleagues to teach their children everything . Parents are their children’s primary educator.
Apples and oranges, my friend. In a school system, faculty take on the role of “primary educator”. In fact, education experts now tell parents to sit down and listen up, and then tell them that they know, better than the parents themselves, how to educate their children. So… vastly different context.

You mentioned that the hierarchy has “a responsibility to ensure that the faithful are taught the true and orthodox Catholic Faith properly.” It’s a reasonable point (and a task given to the pastor, in canon law). So… how is a pastor to do this? Remember, the context is very different from that of the education system:
  • There are no attendance requirements – it’s all voluntary (after all, no one is forcing parents to bring their children to CCD or Mass)
  • The programs are staffed by volunteers (and generally, there aren’t enough of them)
  • The staff is (often) themselves unaware of or not fully accepting of Church teaching
  • There are few feedback mechanisms to monitor progress, and (generally speaking) no willpower to have students do remedial work or repeat the work in a following year
So… how should a pastor react to that operating environment?
 
Apples and oranges, my friend.
Not so.
In a school system, faculty take on the role of “primary educator”.
No, we do not. I have little enough time to teach the externally imposed biology curriculum and certainly do not have time to teach other things.
In fact, education experts now tell parents to sit down and listen up, and then tell them that they know, better than the parents themselves, how to educate their children. So… vastly different context.
That is not the same as what a classroom teacher does. Unfortunately, many parents are failing to act as primary educators because they abdicate the responsibility and think it is someone else’s responsibility. We will always have the ‘experts’ and the state telling other people they do not know what they are doing.
So… how should a pastor react to that operating environment?
To take every opportunity to teach and when he does so to ensure that he teaches the true Catholic Faith and not some easy to stomach watered down version of it.
 
I have little enough time to teach the externally imposed biology curriculum and certainly do not have time to teach other things.
That’s why there’s more than one teacher in your school. 😉
That is not the same as what a classroom teacher does.
Agreed. The teachers’ boss – whether that’s the principal or another administrator or a board – sets these rules and enforces these conditions.
To take every opportunity to teach
That’s nice as a platitude, but ask yourself: how much time do your students get for instruction? And then ask: how much time do Catholics? And further: what percentage of Catholics, at that?

(I’m gonna guess that the answers look something like: “180 days @ ~6hrs/day”, “5-8 minutes once a week in a homily that’s not primarily about catechesis”; “1/7 of all Catholics attend weekly Mass”)
 
That’s why there’s more than one teacher in your school.
To teach the same subject because with most subjects one teacher is insufficient. To teach other subjects. Not to teach the many things that are the responsibility of the pupils’ parents, guardians or carers.
That’s nice as a platitude, but ask yourself: how much time do your students get for instruction? And then ask: how much time do Catholics? And further: what percentage of Catholics, at that?
Okay let us give up and say there are no opportunities to teach Catholics. I am not suggesting priests go around and press-gang people to attend a session of catechism on a regular basis. What I am saying is that he uses the opportunities with which he is provided. These could be his homilies. It can certainly be by the example of the way he lives his life. He can take the opportunity when a couple come to him and ask to be married. There are many regular and occasional opportunities.

We all know that you cannot force people to learn. Even those who voluntarily attend learning are not always open to learning. That does not mean you not use the opportunities with which you are provided.
 
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