Pharisees & Rubrics

[netmilsmom]

Searching13:

Please stop—I am saying that I knew they were responding to that part of the Mass. You were not there, nor do you know the degree of the dimentia. These seniors did know it was that part of the Mass, and did appreciate it.

But my point was that not every senior feels pain when holding hands. Some do, some don’t.

Well, you’re the expert.

 

[Searching13]

Ah—expert—there are 2 definitions that come to mind

1. a retired pert
2. someone who has guessed right more than once.

 

[netmilsmom]

Searching13:

and what is a tolken???

Oh and BTW, I’m not sure how long you’ve been on the internet, but it’s not good form to point out typos.

You might have a slip of the fingers yourself one day.

God be with you!!!

 

[fix]

PJR:

Well ummm, I wasn’t the one who equated OCP Hymnals with liturgical abuse sooooo I wasn’t the first one using the extravagant exaggeration. I have a dictionary too.

As to my hyperbole on the chemistry set. Does it ever occur to anyone that the intentions of those who supplied sometimes very expensive and cherished vessels, even those in material that are no longer permissable, were good? My pastor supplied our church with chalices from the Holy Land in very expensive Jerusalem glass… He was trying to bring us a gift from his pilgrimage. What a cad. We knew his game and we called him on it. No one went to communion until he figured out it was the blue glass chalice. We knew he was trying to slowly hypnotize us with liberal modernisms. Gosh if we could have just figured out what he was saying in Latin… Guess we showed him.

I see your point. The past few decades really reveal that few novelties have been introduced into the mass. The last Pope and the current Pope have been wrong. Thankfully, we have folks who are interested in their private interpretation of the rubrics and introduce innovations as they desire. I bow to the majority regardless of the correctness of any action. That is the authentically Catholic position.

 

[PJR]

Well in my opinion…and I may be demented myself…it’s no wonder the abuse arguments go around and around in dizzy circles and no wonder any Bishop would run like H*** before getting engaged in one with anybody reporting of them.

Now we are debating the definition of dementia. I wish I had one of those smiley faces that was drooling and dumbfounded myself. Picture me with finger to lips going “blub blub blub”.

They held hands and were over the age of? Have we set a definite age when handholding becomes painful? I must have missed that. Nevermind. They held hands and were old so therefore if they liked it they were in stage 1, 2, or 3 of dementia. There is no way they could have known what was going on because they liked handholding.

I am going to start legal proceedings post haste to have my mother and several of her friends committed, based upon this highly qualified and expert data.

I will be seeing the Bishop this weekend. I’ll be sure and pass it on.

 

[netmilsmom]

PJR:

I am going to start legal proceedings post haste to have my mother and several of her friends committed, based upon this highly qualified and expert data.

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I’m so sorry to hear that your mother and her friends are in the Alzheimer’s ward of a retirement community. My heart goes out to you.
Being the child of a patient like this is very hard. I saw many families broken apart dealing with mom or dad and children as well.
Do you have kids? That’s doubly hard.

God Bless, friend! I’ll be praying for you!

 

[PJR]

fix:

I see your point. The past few decades really reveal that few novelties have been introduced into the mass. The last Pope and the current Pope have been wrong. Thankfully, we have folks who are interested in their private interpretation of the rubrics and introduce innovations as they desire. I bow to the majority regardless of the correctness of any action. That is the authentically Catholic position.

I have never questioned the Pope. Past or present. I also don’t think I know more than my Bishop when making decisions for the pastoral good of the entire diocese. The Pope picked him for the job.

I also know that even though we used a glass chalice for a short while we still received The Most Precious Blood in it. I would have never left in a snit to prove I knew it wasn’t the best choice of materials.

Yes, you see the occasional weed and they can be annoying. They are taken care of in order of importance to the bigger picture. I have eyes and ears and a brain to think and if I need to report something as an abuse I will. But, I trust the Holy Spirit to guide the Church and let Her do the weedeating.

And if the Bishop says it’s ok to use an OCP missal, than I am not going to fret over it.

 

[mosher]

robertaf:

This is the part that really troubles me. If you do not appreciate the approach someone else uses, or even if you don’t like their approach, they jump all over you and accuse you of “blowing off the rubrics”. I rarely come to Liturgy & Sacraments because of this. It seems to be impossible for a few folks to take part in a ligitimate dialogue without getting “up tight”.

That is cool if you want to live your life that way. I don’t.

I got to think about folks who are truly persecuted in their faith. I have talked to folks who were Catholics in some Communist countries during the “cold war”. I heard of babies being baptized in trash cans filled with water. Using old tin plates to celebrate the Eucharist. I heard of a Priest being shot in the head as he led the Rosary in a home, he had been turned into the KGB by one of his parishioners.

We have it too easy here. Too much time on our hands.

If you all want to continue to fight this out, be my guest.
It isn’t enough that Catholics and non Catholics continue to rip apart the Body of Christ, Catholics have to rip at Catholics.
If you think this is pleasing to the Lord, thats great.

And again, the funny thing is that you are correct that we should be grateful for what we have but I would say not satisfied. That is the difference, most catholics are lathargic when it comes to challenging something that they know is wrong because “how could they even begin to question father.” This direction of thought leads to dangerous places like Gnosticism, Montonism, Arianism, Waldensianism, Jansenism, Protestantism, etc.

And again, I find it funny that the priests that I know that have lived under difficult persecution are some of the most careful rubric followers that I know.

 

[thegrandmother]

Three points that were bothering me about this debate.

1. excuse my shout, but what happened to the UNIVERSAL ?!

It is a joy to embrace the bit of the “one-body” we are. Haven’t you ever wondered during mass about the millions of others doing the same thing at the same time ? And all those guardian angels singing together all over the world ?

Sometimes I have to work at the last minute on a Sunday morning, sometimes I get to take someone with me if I drive to another parishes 5 or 7pm procrastinators mass. Sometimes I travel. Priests who follow the rubrics make travelers, and any out of parish Catholics welcome. Should I wander into someone’s private “club” It is disconcerting.

1. There are obvious physical exceptions for people unable to stand or kneel on cue, A good percentage of my home parish sits respectfully without embarrassment.
2. Doesn’t the conference of Bishops of each country set the norms per the cultural customs ? Seems I remember hearing about a culture that regarded kneeling as disrespectful and had adopted an all standing norm. This is a far cry from each priest winging it on his own.

Thanks for considering these points, and please correct me if I’m wrong,

Sue

 

[mosher]

thegrandmother:

Three points that were bothering me about this debate.

1. excuse my shout, but what happened to the UNIVERSAL ?!

It is a joy to embrace the bit of the “one-body” we are. Haven’t you ever wondered during mass about the millions of others doing the same thing at the same time ? And all those guardian angels singing together all over the world ?

Sometimes I have to work at the last minute on a Sunday morning, sometimes I get to take someone with me if I drive to another parishes 5 or 7pm procrastinators mass. Sometimes I travel. Priests who follow the rubrics make travelers, and any out of parish Catholics welcome. Should I wander into someone’s private “club” It is disconcerting.

1. There are obvious physical exceptions for people unable to stand or kneel on cue, A good percentage of my home parish sits respectfully without embarrassment.
2. Doesn’t the conference of Bishops of each country set the norms per the cultural customs ? Seems I remember hearing about a culture that regarded kneeling as disrespectful and had adopted an all standing norm. This is a far cry from each priest winging it on his own.

Thanks for considering these points, and please correct me if I’m wrong,

Sue

True an all such things must be submitted for consideration to the Holy See for approval before they can be implimented if they can be implimented at all.