Pharrell Williams Song at Mass

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Generic_Name said:
There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. Seeing as how anyone can attend Mass, I’d reckon that’s considered “public.”
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There is a difference between what the law grants and what Christians should do. Just because something is public doesn’t mean that people have a moral right to put it on the internet.

Is it really fair to say to people, “If you’re not OK with being put on youtube, you have to go to Hell?” We have to go to Mass or go to Hell. So I don’t think it’s morally right to video people during Mass and post it on the internet, unless you have cameras set up and so forth so that people could see it’s going to happen (or of course unless you actually tell them ahead of time).

I’m not even thinking so much of the cantor and choir and so forth, as the regular people in the pews. To take an extreme case, what if one of the poeple is in witness protection or something? Now they’re on the internet, just because they went to Mass.

It seems wrong to me.

–Jen
 
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Wow. As a new Catholic I greatly enjoy the traditional hymns, but that’s my two cents. Being in church, even when I sit in quiet contemplation before Mass, is like stepping into another realm that secular music is a bit too ‘worldly’ for me to appreciate, even as a recessional song. I’m in my mid-50’s, so maybe I’m old school.

On the other hand, I found this clip in the suggested videos sidebar of the page and thought it was wonderful:

youtu.be/uTEjV276078

Sisters had me toe tapping! :dancing:
 
Was this the regular recessional or were people asked to stay after for a performance of the youth choir?

As others point out, no priest is present and no one is recessing.

Also who videotaped it and with what intent?
 
revert_jen said:
This. It was somewhat manic, which is always uncomfortable.

Of course, I also think that just going to Mass is not blanket permission for people to post your image on youtube. I’m not really sure that having a secular song as the recessional is worse than taping people without their permission and posting them on the internet so that they can provide a (presumably bad) example of music at the Mass.

Just looking at it from all sides… 😉

–Jen
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Not to mention the fact that I doubt the poster of the video has the proper permissions of the copyright holders to post that song online. 😉 I presume YouTube’s autobots will eventually locate and pull the video for that reason alone.

I agree with you, though. Not to defend using that song in Church or the dancing and clapping. But just because we can pretty much video tape anything and everything and post it online doesn’t mean that we should. Video taping people without their permission isn’t a road we probably want to go down.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Not to mention the fact that I doubt the poster of the video has the proper permissions of the copyright holders to post that song online. 😉 I presume YouTube’s autobots will eventually locate and pull the video for that reason alone.

I agree with you, though. Not to defend using that song in Church or the dancing and clapping. But just because we can pretty much video tape anything and everything and post it online doesn’t mean that we should. Video taping people without their permission isn’t a road we probably want to go down.
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It is done all the time that road is a already a highway. Do you really believe that the news gets permission to video tape people with their permission? Do you ask permission if you are at a public attraction taking pictures if you can take pictures in case someone might walk in front of your camera? I am sure that if you look at most vacation film you will find people who did not give their permission to be filmed. The law is if you are in public you do not have expectation of privacy nor should you.

BTW when I tried to view the video it said I didn’t have permission.
 
adrift said:
It is done all the time that road is a already a highway. Do you really believe that the news gets permission to video tape people with their permission? Do you ask permission if you are at a public attraction taking pictures if you can take pictures in case someone might walk in front of your camera? I am sure that if you look at most vacation film you will find people who did not give their permission to be filmed. The law is if you are in public you do not have expectation of privacy nor should you.
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Fair enough. Good point.
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BTW when I tried to view the video it said I didn’t have permission.
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I just tried again and I also got the message about needing permission. Evidently, the poster of the video changed it from a public video to a private video. That’s probably for the best anyway.
 
adrift said:
It is done all the time that road is a already a highway. Do you really believe that the news gets permission to video tape people with their permission? Do you ask permission if you are at a public attraction taking pictures if you can take pictures in case someone might walk in front of your camera? I am sure that if you look at most vacation film you will find people who did not give their permission to be filmed. The law is if you are in public you do not have expectation of privacy nor should you.
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Again, I wasn’t talking about the law, but about what was morally right.

Not that it is at all comparable, but abortion is also legal and done all of the time. The fact that something is legal and common doesn’t make it right. Plus, it’s hard to see how a news team could come into Mass and film people without their knowing about it and being able to get away from it if they wanted.

People should be able to go to Mass without having to be put on the internet without their knowledge. I’m not saying that people who secretly film people at Mass should suffer legal consequences, just that as Catholics we should adhere to a more strict standard of behavior.

For the most part, people can choose whether to go out into public or not. Mass isn’t like that, because we have to go (not that I would want to miss that time with the Lord if I could), so at least Catholics should treat it differently.

–Jen
 
If the intent of the video was to point out liturgical abuse or improper behavior in the sanctuary etc, then I’d say it would be most charitable to show it only to the Pastor or Bishop.

Posting someone’s mistake, poor choice, or improper form online comes across as uncharitable.
 
The problem with “Here Comes the Bride” is not so much that it’s a secular song (ie, it’s the Wedding March from the opera Lohengrin by Wagner) as that Lohengrin isn’t really about a happy marriage. At all.

If you’re an opera fan, it’s pretty ominous music, really…
 
Video has been taken down but I can imagine and it’s not good.

I went to a Mass once and the piano player must have thought he was in a nightclub. He played the responses in such a jazzy way. Loud and over the top. I told my husband I thought I was in a nightclub. It was a black church but still. Does the church really need to be that way to attract followers anymore?
 
Oh no, this is bad. This should be reported to the local parish priest or bishop.
 
GoGoDiego said:
Oh no, this is bad. This should be reported to the local parish priest or bishop.
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While not is the best of taste, and I completely disagree with the choice of music, the recessional is not actually part of Mass. The Mass ends when the Priest or Deacon says it does “The Mass is ended, go in Peace”

So there literally are no liturgical regulations for the bishop to enforce.
 
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