Phenomology?

[Hopper]

I’m reading a book by Pope Benedict and he keeps using the word Phenomology - perhaps to ask the question speaks of my ignorance but never-the-less - can someone give me a proper definition as to what he is talking about. “Phenomological sense” and “phenomology” Webster’s dictionary does not carry it.

Hopper

 

[Chesster]

Try here.

 

[Hopper]

Thanks Chesster -

This is what it says

Main Entry: phe·nom·e·nol·o·gy
Pronunciation: \fi-ˌnä-mə-ˈnä-lə-jē
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural phe·nom·e·nol·o·gies
Etymology: German Phänomenologie, from Phänomenon phenomenon + -logie -logy
Date: circa 1797
1 : the study of the development of human consciousness and self-awareness as a preface to or a part of philosophy
2 a (1) : a philosophical movement that describes the formal structure of the objects of awareness and of awareness itself in abstraction from any claims concerning existence (2) : the typological classification of a class of phenomena b : an analysis produced by phenomenological investigation

Which still leaves me thinking “Huh?”

I thought this related to scripture so put the question here. Like reading the scriptures in typological sense, allegorical, literal etc.

I’ll have to go back and re-read it in the context. One thing is for certain - reading Pope Benedict is like doing mental stretching exercises…

Thanks, Hopper

 

[Jim_Baur]

My understanding:
the activity in our own consciousness.
The phenomenon of our consciousness.

 

[puzzleannie]

it was a branch of philosophy studied early in the last century, one of its chief proponents being Edmund Husserl, and it had a strong emphasis in European universities during the time Pope John Paul II and his contemporaries would have been studying. I believe Edith Stein had been a student of Husserl or one of his students. I had to do a paper on his book in college and I didn’t understand it much then and still don’t. By that time (60s-70s) Catholic colleges were into “Christian existentialism” which will rock your socks even worse.

 

[fultonfish]

deals with interpreting the bumps that one has on the head.

 

[fultonfish]

[or maybe stamp collecting]

 

[geometer]

I’m reading a book by Pope Benedict and he keeps using the word Phenomology - perhaps to ask the question speaks of my ignorance but never-the-less - can someone give me a proper definition as to what he is talking about. “Phenomological sense” and “phenomology” Webster’s dictionary does not carry it.

A phenomenon is an appearence, and phenomena are appearences.

Phenomenology is a theory of truth based on appearences, phenomena.

Because it is centered on the way things appear, it delves deeply into theories of perception. Perception is largely our faculties that sense and perceive.

The new thought is about what sensations might be in themselves. What are the properties of a sensation in the mind. Does the redness of red have properties, is red a substance in the soul?

These properties of sensations and feelings, colors, smells, etc… are termed - Qualia.

If he mentions Qualia your on to something, if he doesn’t its probably nothing new…

Phenomenology

 

[Nowhere_Man]

deals with interpreting the bumps that one has on the head.

That’s phrenology, and to the OP, are you sure it’s spelled phenomology? because all I could find, even remotely close, was phenomenology, which can mean many different things, but in religious terms it means “the experiential aspect of religion in terms consistent with the orientation of the worshipers”.

Hope this helps,
Nowhere man

 

[Hopper]

Boy you guys are good…

Yes, nowhere Man I meant to say “phenomenology”

and I see this topic is in the wrong section. I was going to post it in the Philosophy section to begin with - then read the posting guides and as I had come across the word in some other writing to which the writer was also speaking of scripture - I assumed it had something to do with that.
If the moderator would wish to move this topic - I’d like to continue it a bit - so that sharing with others I can come to a better understanding of what Pope Benedict is saying.

The book I am reading of his is called “Truth and Tolerance” and how the Christian faith relates to other religions…very intellectual…

Now I’m coming across words such as orthopraxy and epistomology…and my very poor version of Websters handles neither of these…I suppose one can look it up on-line - but one is left with the definition that also may cause difficulty in understanding - and so others may be able to shed some light. Thanks for your responses.

deals with interpreting the bumps that one has on the head

. Well I don’t know about that interpretation Fultonfish - other than it might be related to the topic of trying to understand it http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/e136.gif in that one may bump one’s head in the process…lol…

God bless, Hopper

 

[geometer]

deals with interpreting the bumps that one has on the head.

That is phrenology. There used to be quite a number of practicing phrenologist in Washington. D.C. There were always there. But something happened in politics and I believe they all had their licences revoked. Suddenly there were no more of those in Washington. And as far as I know there is only one practicing astrologer who advertizes his services in D.C.

 

[Hopper]

Well, I’m about 3/4th’s finished with this book. Have I understood everything? Most certainly not but what I am basically concluding from this book is a round about intellectual maze of coming to a simple truth…and that being God becoming man and entering history to reach out to man whom He has created. That Christianity does not assert itself in imperial fashion over other religions - but that it is truth itself and other religions are on an arrival or advent to it - but just don’t realize it.

Hope my conclusions are correct and I have not mis-interpreted what Pope Benedict was trying to say here.

Hopper

 

[fultonfish]

A phenomenon is an appearence, and phenomena are appearences.

Phenomenology is a theory of truth based on appearences, phenomena.

Because it is centered on the way things appear, it delves deeply into theories of perception. Perception is largely our faculties that sense and perceive.

The new thought is about what sensations might be in themselves. What are the properties of a sensation in the mind. Does the redness of red have properties, is red a substance in the soul?

These properties of sensations and feelings, colors, smells, etc… are termed - Qualia.

If he mentions Qualia your on to something, if he doesn’t its probably nothing new…

Phenomenology

Seems to me you can get into a wholllle lot of trouble focusing on perceptions.

Stamp collecting is a whole lot safer.

 

[fultonfish]

Perceptions are the EASIEST things to manipulate (and/or about which to BE manipulated).

Not to mention the inherent difficulties involved in translating from one language/culture/time epoch to another.

So, nope, philately is the way to go.

 

[Mintaka]

The late Fr. Hardon’s theological Catholic dictionary is online in a few different places. That will probably help you a lot.

In case you haven’t figured it out, “orthopraxy” means practicing religion the right way, the way God intends. It pairs up with “orthodoxy”,believing the right things the right way.

Epistemology is the study of knowledge - how we know stuff, where we pick up this stuff in the first place, etc.

 

[Hopper]

The late Fr. Hardon’s theological Catholic dictionary is online in a few different places. That will probably help you a lot.

In case you haven’t figured it out, “orthopraxy” means practicing religion the right way, the way God intends. It pairs up with “orthodoxy”,believing the right things the right way.

Epistemology is the study of knowledge - how we know stuff, where we pick up this stuff in the first place, etc.

Thanks Mintaka,

I did a google search and found Fr. Hardon’s dictionary and added it to my favorites - but you know it did not have epistemology or Phenomenology in it. It did have Orthopraxis and Phenomenon - but no phenomenology. When you add that -ology you are talking something different than the root word.

Anyway I did finish the book today. That man is brilliant. I’ve read his book “Jesus of Nazareth” which I did not have too much difficulty with but this one “Truth and Tolerance” was a toughy at times. Now I’m onto my 3rd book of his “Introduction to Christianity.” I’ll let you know how that one goes…

Hopper

 

[adriancombe]

I’m reading a book by Pope Benedict and he keeps using the word Phenomology - perhaps to ask the question speaks of my ignorance but never-the-less - can someone give me a proper definition as to what he is talking about. “Phenomological sense” and “phenomology” Webster’s dictionary does not carry it.

Hopper

Try here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy)?wasRedirected=true

not sure if you know German but there is more info in the German version (‘Deutsch’ in the left margin)