Philippians 3:9 and Sola Fide

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And this is why I asked about “empirical experience”. How do we square God’s requirement for perfection (His son), and our slow metamorphosis? How do we hold being a “new creation” in tension with our temporal state? For me, imputed righteousness makes sense.
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Maybe imputed righteousness is the problem, since it removes the obligation to be truly righteous from the equation-no fear and trembling necessary. As it is though, we’re made just but the tendency to sin and whatever attraction we have to it isn’t removed-so we must struggle and in that struggle we prove ourselves, working out our salvation with the continuous help of grace and this new life of God in us-or we do not. Justification makes us new creations and equips us for battle, but we aren’t forced to remain in that state of justice let alone grow in it and Scripture is replete with this understanding as it exhorts believers over and over to remain in the faith, do good works, persevere, strive, be holy, etc, etc with the loss of place in the kingdom at stake.
 
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Ahem, may I interject, ppl.? What about imputed righteousness
from CHRIST’s standpoint?? Have you ever considered that.
Christ was a VICTIM, a Perfect victim b/c of His faith that His
self-sacrifice would be EFFICACIOUS not only effective in removing
sin from a person!! In fact, St. Peter said: “He himself bore our sins
on His own body on the tree, THAT WE MIGHT DIE TO SIN AND
LIVE FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, by His wounds we are HEALED”
1 Pet 2:24
 
Good quote. Imputed (declared) righteousness is not the gospel. We must die to sin and actually live for righteousness, having been healed.
 
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“Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Odd turn of phrase, no? Counted (“credited”) by whom? Why not just say Abraham “ believed in God and was righteous”?

I can make the imparted argument too. I just think that it’s perhaps a bit more complicated than “is not in the gospel.”
 
I agree that Paul could’ve been more clear. 😄 Not the only place where Scripture may appear ambiguous. But we know he got it:
"…if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Cor 13
 
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Yes, from the scriptures we understand that we ARE sinners,
just like admitting to the disease of Alcoholism. We will always
suffer from temptations in this earthly tent, but we need NOT
despair, God is WITH us in our temptations and trials!! "“When you
pass thru the fire, when you go thru deep waters I WILL BE WITH
you” See Isaiah 43:2 and “Fear not for I am WITH you” (v.5)
 
TULIPed, you make Calvinism almost palatable-somehow. 😄 Anyway, thank you for the very civil manner in which you conduct yourself here. I participate in non-Catholic Christian forums and it’s not always easy to remain civil. I don;t wish to offend but maybe you’re not such a bad sinner after all. :roll_eyes:
 
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LOL - you’re too kind @fhansen. Always a pleasure crossing swords with you my friend. If you love Jesus, you’re my brother (or sister). Iron sharpens iron. 🙂

(Oh, and the “I’m a bad sinner” is part my schtick - how can the token Calvinist on CAF NOT be Eeyore?)

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