[Philippines] Bishop bemoans bikini contests

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Meanwhile, in the Republic of the Philippines…

gmanetwork.com/news/story/300880/news/nation/bishop-bemoans-bikini-contests
Saying the Catholic Church is against making women’s bodies the object of lustful eyes, a Catholic bishop urged bikini contest organizers to hold other activities instead.

“We are against that (bikini contest) because you are subjecting the body of a woman to the lustful eyes of men and vice versa,” said Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles.
 
I agree. Beauty contests can be fine. “Bikini contests” are tawdry.
 
I agree. Beauty contests can be fine. “Bikini contests” are tawdry.
I can accept that. But many beauty pageants have segments where the participants pose in swimming costumes, even in a predominantly-Catholic country like the Philippines.
 
It’s ironic that feminists have done more than anyone else to make women into sex objects.
That’s true. They have done almost nothing to halt the increasing depictions of women as nothing but body parts, not human beings. Part of it has to do with denying women their femininity, and being a housewife? Better to be a Nazi than a housewife. It was Betty Friedan who called the family a “comfortable concentration camp.” Money, prestige, power!! Yes.

Denying your own biology and killing the unborn - OK. And men have been reduced to invisible sperm donors. Fathers. Kids desperately need committed fathers. They need love. I’ll never go to a beach again because they are so many young women who have been brainwashed by the fashion dictatorship that exposing 90 +% of your body is good.

Two and a Half Men. Yep. Some guy whose hobby is having sex with whoever. Feminists have caused real harm.

Peace,
Ed
 
It’s ironic that feminists have done more than anyone else to make women into sex objects.


1969 - Would you believe there was a time that “feminists” were NOT just all about abortion? Here a group opposed the Miss America Contest.

Their placard reads “Cattle Parades are degrading to human beings.”

It’s a different take than the Bishop here, but a similar complaint.

The 1969 protest may not have been as high minded. Some elements of it were sensational headline and media grabbing promotion. Some looked like class warfare and trouble making.

Miss America was considered “G” rated TV fare at the time per the morality aspect - and the bathing suit part of the competition in 1969 featured one piece (non bikini) outfits, although accented with the otherwise incongruous high heels.

Ratings were high as I remember it back then (and before - when it was even bigger).

There were “talent” and “poise” and “answering questions under fire” aspects to the contest – and a bit of “March Madness-like” rounds of eliminations where different states (each “Miss” had a sash indicating the name of her state - implying she was that state’s champion) seemingly competed. But the “swimsuit competition” and the finale with the winner named – garnered photos in the next days’ newspaper.

The “bikini contests” of today are considerably rougher (often seen in the contexts of “Spring Break” celebrations at beaches or bars). It doesn’t seem to be Miss America or its Phillipine counterpart that the Bishop is warning against.

More subtle is a hint to women and men that perhaps one shouldn’t wear bikinis or gape at
people who wear them. Or take more care about those things. And a Bishop can be expected to call people to higher things, even if the strategy of the day elsewhere is to keep a low profile and speak seldom (the Church on defense).

This Bishop will be criticized to be sure.

Whenever I hear a good person criticized at least 20 percent of it tends to include such convoluted thinking as to reveal that the critique is wrong. An example of that would be:

“I don’t like that Bishop … all he does is talk about “lust” … and bikini contests!”

:banghead::doh2::nope:
 
Somehow feminists have convinced themselves that they are exercising their freedom by becoming a sex object and using sex as a weapon.
 
Apparently, in my country, there is no problem with most women wearing bikinis.

But I’m still perplexed, given the country’s tropical climate.
 
I agree. Beauty contests can be fine. “Bikini contests” are tawdry.
I think even “beauty contests” can be a slippery slope. The problem is that the notion of “beauty” is so misunderstood in the secular world. It’s almost always talking just in terms of physical beauty; it doesn’t talk about inner beauty or spiritual beauty. Please forgive me for sounding harsh - and it’s not directed towards you - but it really sickens me to see them parading little kids on stage dressed up in grown-up clothes, all in the name of “beauty pageants.” Yuck!
 
I think even “beauty contests” can be a slippery slope. The problem is that the notion of “beauty” is so misunderstood in the secular world. It’s almost always talking just in terms of physical beauty; it doesn’t talk about inner beauty or spiritual beauty. Please forgive me for sounding harsh - and it’s not directed towards you - but it really sickens me to see them parading little kids on stage dressed up in grown-up clothes, all in the name of “beauty pageants.” Yuck!
I have to agree with this. Years ago when I was 20 and in college, I participated in what was billed as a a “scholarship” pageant which was a pre-cursor pageant to the Miss America Pageant. I did it as a lark. It was a joke for me and I thought it would be funny if I could actually place. Even my friends who came to laugh along with me thought it was funny how I refused to do the “sissy” clap and how opposite it all was to what I was like in person. And I really didn’t want to put the time in without coming home with some sort of prize, so I did enough work to make it worth while. The funniest thing was that I actually did end up becoming runner-up, winning some scholarship money. The experience did show me, though, the sad superficiality of the whole idea of a beauty contest. Sure, they have the question and answer portion to supposedly showcase a contestant’s intelligence, and they have a talent competition, but the majority of it is all about the outer, physical beauty. You are basically paraded around like an object. Once I was up there in front of a huge audience in a one-piece bathing suit towards the end of the contest, I saw how disgusting the whole idea of beauty/“scholarship” pageants were. It perpetuates the notion that a woman is worthless unless she is physically attractive, even if she had so many other things going for her. What saddened me the most were some of the other young women who took it very seriously. They were so upset to have lost.

Don’t get me started on child beauty pageants. It’s revolting to me.
 
Good for Archbishop Arguelles! I could not agree more with him on this issue.

My concern is with what Fr. Garganta of the CBCP-ECY said about it. His statements were a bit unclear to me. I understood him to say that it’s okay to have these types of contests, since they’re tolerated, as long as your thoughts are pure, and that men and women aren’t exploited? How would that even be possible? The very idea of those contests is to exploit everyone, and to promote impurity.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what he said? :confused:
 
I have to agree with this. Years ago when I was 20 and in college, I participated in what was billed as a a “scholarship” pageant which was a pre-cursor pageant to the Miss America Pageant. I did it as a lark. It was a joke for me and I thought it would be funny if I could actually place. Even my friends who came to laugh along with me thought it was funny how I refused to do the “sissy” clap and how opposite it all was to what I was like in person. And I really didn’t want to put the time in without coming home with some sort of prize, so I did enough work to make it worth while. The funniest thing was that I actually did end up becoming runner-up, winning some scholarship money. The experience did show me, though, the sad superficiality of the whole idea of a beauty contest. Sure, they have the question and answer portion to supposedly showcase a contestant’s intelligence, and they have a talent competition, but the majority of it is all about the outer, physical beauty. You are basically paraded around like an object. Once I was up there in front of a huge audience in a one-piece bathing suit towards the end of the contest, I saw how disgusting the whole idea of beauty/“scholarship” pageants were. It perpetuates the notion that a woman is worthless unless she is physically attractive, even if she had so many other things going for her. What saddened me the most were some of the other young women who took it very seriously. They were so upset to have lost.

Don’t get me started on child beauty pageants. It’s revolting to me.
Nice post, Sarabande - and I totally agree with you on the child beauty pageants! I believe it to be a form of child abuse.
 
Somehow feminists have convinced themselves that they are exercising their freedom by becoming a sex object and using sex as a weapon.
I don’t recommend it, but watch an episode of Sex and the City or look - don’t buy - at an issue of Cosmopolitan magazine. Every cover has a sex angle.

Women don’t want to be respected by men. They want to be men and have material luxuries. Men are just sex toys to be used and discarded at whim. Bad - VERY BAD - especially for women.

Power. Money. Fame. Sex with unidentified males. And Abortion. Or you can join the Army and lug that 50 cal. with ammo across the desert. Works for me :rolleyes:

Peace,
Ed
 
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