Philisophy: Solipsism Scares Me

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I was reading online a few weeks ago & stumbled upon solipsism. I immediately wanted to prove it wrong until I realized that it cant be proven wrong. That is bothersome to me! :mad:

I am an Obsessive thinker (OCD) so Im having a difficult time moving past this thought. I tell ya it has really been bothering me on a deep level!

Ive never ever questioned reality until I read about this thought. Wish I never knew about it!
How can I get thru this? Any ideas? Anyone been through this.

Having OCD makes it a bit tricky because OCDers thrive on certainity & being able to prove things right or wrong. My thinking lately is black & white - all or nothing.
The thought is making me depressed. Im still very busy & choosing to enjoy life - however why would anyone question reality? Weird concept to me.

Thank you!
 
What is solipsism??? I have never heard of that before… :o:confused:
 
I was reading online a few weeks ago & stumbled upon solipsism. I immediately wanted to prove it wrong until I realized that it cant be proven wrong. That is bothersome to me! :mad:
The mere fact that you feel the urge to communicate your worries about it to the outside world suggests that the outside world actually exists. You said you were reading online about it: well, does “online” in fact exist? You can answer yourself (hint: the commonsense answer is the correct one).

There is a joke: “I talked with many people and I don’t understand why I am the only solipsist here!”

Or from this site:

freivald.org/~jake/deutschOnSolipsism.html

There is a standard philosophical joke about a professor who gives a lecture in defence of solipsism. So persuasive is the lecture that as soon as it ends, several enthusiastic students hurry forward to shake the professor’s hand. ‘Wonderful. I agreed with every word,’ says one student earnestly. ‘So did I,’ says another. ‘I am very gratified to hear it,’ says the professor. ‘One so seldom has the opportunity to meet fellow solipsists.’
 
You should comfort yourself with the thought that you are receiving replies to your post. Even if they exist only in your imagination they are better than nothing. 🙂 If you didn’t have any replies solipsism would be a more plausible theory.

You should also comfort yourself with the thought that solipsism is based on the irrefutable fact that our sole certainty is the fact that we are thinking. We exist as conscious entities not collections of atomic particles. Goodbye, materialism!

Is it likely we have created ourselves and have always existed? No! We would remember things that happened (or seem to have happened) a very long time ago, but we don’t.
We can also compare our experiences with others. Even though we can’t get outside our mind and into theirs we can and should exchange ideas. That is where our salvation lies - in living as a community and not as isolated individuals. Solipsism is a luxury for those who have nothing better to think about than themselves! Its fatal flaw is its assumption that we have no evidence that anyone or anything exists. The fact that we cannot have everything our own way strongly suggests that we are not utterly alone! Try making other persons do what you want them to do. Sooner or later you will fail - and that is when you succeed in disproving solipsism… 😉
 
I was reading online a few weeks ago & stumbled upon solipsism. I immediately wanted to prove it wrong until I realized that it cant be proven wrong
Why do you think that it cannot be proven wrong? It depends on what you mean by solipsism. Its true that you cannot prove with absolute certainty that particular things exist outside of your mind. However you can obtain certainty about general facts. Also you can be certain that you are not the first cause of your knowledge; you can be certain that your self knowledge and all your knowledge in general was ultimately caused by something other than you, because all your thoughts are a procession of contingent and potential acts. You can be certain that you exist and that something exists. However, when it comes to particular facts, you cannot be sure that you are not living in a computer generated dream world.
 
Thank you so much for the replies!!

I love learning but never thought I would get myself into this situation. I was watching some movies about space, time, the universe and one question led to another to another. I went online & read about Solipsism and had a complete panic attack! I have been a chronic worrier since childhood - I developed OCD at 5 years old & have depression that comes & goes. So I have to be careful what I expose myself to or else I dwell on things & tend to be rigid in my thinking!! My OCD is called “Pure O”- ritualizing and neutralizing behaviors they are almost entirely in the form of excessive mental rumination.

I just had never heard of the philosophy before & when I went online to try to find arguments against it - all I could find were people defending it? I can not imagine living life believing it. Why - whats the point? I love the people in my life & assume that other people were created by God and have the same feelings, desires as me. Who would want to believe otherwise?? Why would you want to?

I need to dismiss it and move on. Its just not worth my health to dwell on it any longer!
 
It may worry you, but it actually can be used to support God’s existence. If we can only prove that we are the only existing being, then we know that we did not create ourselves. So using that method, God must exist 😃

that is to assume that solipsism is seen as only an individual existing however.
 
Thank you so much for the replies!!

I love learning but never thought I would get myself into this situation. I was watching some movies about space, time, the universe and one question led to another to another. I went online & read about Solipsism and had a complete panic attack! I have been a chronic worrier since childhood - I developed OCD at 5 years old & have depression that comes & goes. So I have to be careful what I expose myself to or else I dwell on things & tend to be rigid in my thinking!! My OCD is called “Pure O”- ritualizing and neutralizing behaviors they are almost entirely in the form of excessive mental rumination.

I just had never heard of the philosophy before & when I went online to try to find arguments against it - all I could find were people defending it? I can not imagine living life believing it. Why - whats the point? I love the people in my life & assume that other people were created by God and have the same feelings, desires as me. Who would want to believe otherwise?? Why would you want to?

I need to dismiss it and move on. Its just not worth my health to dwell on it any longer!
The best way to dismiss a harmful obsession is to replace it with an inspiring one! Why not dwell on the infinite love of God who has given us everything for nothing - including Himself? 🙂
 
It may worry you, but it actually can be used to support God’s existence. If we can only prove that we are the only existing being, then we know that we did not create ourselves. So using that method, God must exist 😃

that is to assume that solipsism is seen as only an individual existing however.
If we I am the only existing being, then God does not exist unless I am God.
 
If we I am the only existing being, then God does not exist unless I am God.
And if you are God what a sad world where no creature’s love can be as great as yours.

G.K. Chesterton’s famous little response to that conclusion

-Prophesy
 
I was reading online a few weeks ago & stumbled upon solipsism. I immediately wanted to prove it wrong until I realized that it cant be proven wrong. That is bothersome to me! :mad:

I am an Obsessive thinker (OCD) so Im having a difficult time moving past this thought. I tell ya it has really been bothering me on a deep level!

Ive never ever questioned reality until I read about this thought. Wish I never knew about it!
How can I get thru this? Any ideas? Anyone been through this.

Having OCD makes it a bit tricky because OCDers thrive on certainity & being able to prove things right or wrong. My thinking lately is black & white - all or nothing.
The thought is making me depressed. Im still very busy & choosing to enjoy life - however why would anyone question reality? Weird concept to me.

Thank you!
I have a really stupid way of looking at this.

Through Descartes cogito ergo sum, I exist, at least only in mind.

And I believe I can interact with a world that I seem to constantly and stably perceive. Now, regardless of whether or not the beings exist in this perceived world, I feel, within my own self, moral consequences as a result of my interactions with the perceived beings. I am not creator of my mind, this perceived world nor this morality that I find myself bound to. This morality requires perfection of me, something that I cannot accomplish, so I can carry on C.S. Lewis’s derivation of God from morality to come to the belief that there are at least two beings in existence.

-Prophesy
 
I have a really stupid way of looking at this.

Through Descartes cogito ergo sum, I exist, at least only in mind.

And I believe I can interact with a world that I seem to constantly and stably perceive. Now, regardless of whether or not the beings exist in this perceived world, I feel, within my own self, moral consequences as a result of my interactions with the perceived beings. I am not creator of my mind, this perceived world nor this morality that I find myself bound to. This morality requires perfection of me, something that I cannot accomplish, so I can carry on C.S. Lewis’s derivation of God from morality to come to the belief that there are at least two beings in existence.

-Prophesy
Yes. This is not stupid, but rather it is rational and intuitive. I would not make the case in quite the same way that you did my self, but you are correct in establishing that at least two beings exist. We are passive to influences and experiences beyond our own control and creation. This should not be true if we only experience our selves.
 
Yes. This is not stupid, but rather it is rational and intuitive. I would not make the case in quite the same way that you did my self, but you are correct in establishing that at least two beings exist. We are passive to influences and experiences beyond our own control and creation. This should not be true if we only experience our selves.
Glad you agree. I figure that my reasoning only needs to apply to me in the case of solipsism because what should I care about a person’s argument if I’m the only being to exist? Haha

-Prophesy
 
If we I am the only existing being, then God does not exist unless I am God.
But you do not have the capabilities of God, therefore your intellect alone will tell you that you are not God (as we understand it).

As I stated before, we know we did not create ourselves. If we cancel out our parents as figments of our own mind, then what is left to have created us? We know that we did not come from nothing as well. As something cannot come from nothing. So what is left? Something outside of ourselves, that created us. God
 
Hi Kate(name removed by moderator),

Wishing you profound peace of mind and heart. I too struggled with this shortly after high school. I had great anxiety with questions in this philosophical vein. It made my life difficult for a few years, but I have for the most part gotten through it. It pushed me greatly into looking at some great catholic philosophers and gaining a fuller understanding and appreciation for the reasonableness of our faith.

Some thoughts on solipsism: we are casually dependant beings, it is as self-evident as knowing we exist, because we are limited: we exist as beings ever in a state of change and we quite clearly do not know everything. We do not cause ourselves, if we did, we would exist as God does: all at once with no change. Only God can be the casual existence of anything. In other words, you are quite simply philosohpically too limited, by your very nature, to be the solipsist cause of everything. All that exists is not due to us, if you don’t believe this try as hard as you may to consciously create something. No matter how hard you try it will not manifest in objective reality. This is how we know the difference between what happens interiorly (in our imaginations for example) and what happens externally. If this distinction did not exist, the notion of observor and observed, subject and object would not exist. In other words, you couldn’t even ask the question because you would have no reference point as to what reality entailed. The fact that the distinction exists make solipsism absurd.

We can spend so much time driving ourselves anxious with these philosophical ruminations: maybe I’m a brain in a vat, maybe i’m in a matrix, maybe everyone is a robot…it can go on and on. What one has to come to differentiate is what is plausible and what is possible. Many things can be logically possible: the moon is made of cheese for example. Because that statement contains no inherant contradiction. But as to the plausibility of the notion: there are many vast reasons and evidences to suppose it is not so. And thus we have what is known as “good reasoning.” Good reasoning is relying on good reason that your house isn’t about to collapse because the builders made it well, etc. The same good reasoning compels us to believe that there is an external reality, that there are other minds, that God exists, etc. Contrary to some people’s notion, we as Catholics are not fideists (accepting a proposition based entirely on faith). The Catechism quite rightly suggests that we believe in God in both faith and reason. To me faith is related to mystery. A mystery is something we may have some idea of, but not understand entirely. We may not be able to wrap our minds around something entirely, but good reason compels us to make a faithful leaping trust, not a blind one.

Moreover what helped me a lot was focusing on why such things were false, instead of running circles around my head trying to “magically” make an excuse for why any old thing could be true. For example, I could run cirlces in my head all day battling with myself with questions like “I’m not a brain in a vat” BUT maybe I am because of “blah blah blah.” Focus on the reasons why it is silly and less rational and try to leave it at that.

In lieu of all of this, I suggest also a Pascals Wager sort of thinking. You may not be able to have perfect certitude on everything (else you would be God) but you can have good reason to believe solipsism is false and inadequate, that there are other minds, that there is an external reality, etc. If this is the most rational and plausible way to think, and to think otherwise results in a tormented limited life, then choose to act in a way that is most reasonable and results in a more enjoyable life. Trust in your reason and in good reason and give yourself some peace. You will never be God and have perfect certitude of everything, you have to accept that. This does not however mean, that our rational faculties are worthless: they are just limited.

Also, recognize that your way of thinking is anxiety inducing: namely that it works like a vicious cycle: one scary thought produces an anxious feelings which heightens the effect of this thinking and makes for a miserable affair. Try some thought stopping acts. Tell yourself “STOP I’ve already thought this out and I want to live a peaceful reasonable life trusting in good reason and good faith” and do your best to live that way.

Hope this helps,

C
 
Want to defeat a solipsist in an argument, say ‘I disagree.’ Though if he/she is a true solipsist, they might try and harm you because your not real after all.

Can see how career criminals are attrached to this philosophy. . . Just sayin’ 🤷
 
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