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tskrobacz
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Only the created are sinners (seperated from the creator). So your question is meaningless.
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Bahman
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He does not know what consciousness is. You could be in danger when you build a very fast consciousness being. He does not even believe in free will and a machine without free will cannot be a danger.
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cerad3
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In other word, humans will always be greater than computers because you say so. I’m guessing that you must be a sophisticated theologian.
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tskrobacz
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Not because I say so…but because there is a created order confirmed by science and religions through all of history. Why are you guessing?
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Poussin
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What is ‘greater’ is a value judgment. If you hold no values then this discussion is a wash and quite meaningless. It is also not very responsive to Hawking’s claim. Whether AI, if it could exist to such a capacity, displace humans, is a physical question, not a question of value. I can get run over by a car this afternoon, that does not mean the car has greater value.
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cerad3
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Because you refuse to supply a scientific definition of “greater”.
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tskrobacz
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The natural order is scientific.
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Poussin
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I thought the defining of words was done by linguists, not scientists. What does the scientific method have at all to do with defining the term ‘greater’ other than artificially and limited to the context of the experiment? A ‘greater amount’, a ‘greater speed’, a ‘greater value’, still are not mutually exclusive of other value judgments, and do not even pretend to be.
In the end you still need to define the value, and a scientist is in no better position than anyone else, by virtue of them being a scientist, to do that.
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cerad3
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Which I am sure is very special and profound in the land of sophisticated theology.
But why do you keep refusing to provide a scientific definition of “greater”?
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cerad3
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This particular thread is about whether machines can make computers obsolete.
@tdgesq has basically asserted that the answer is no because humans will always be greater then computers. So we got on a bit of a side discussions about what “greater” means.
So do you agree that it has been scientifically proven that humans will always be greater then machines and thus could never make humans obsolete?
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tskrobacz
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Why do you insist on a scientific definition…is science itself “greater”?
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cerad3
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I am insisting on it because you seem to be asserting that the definition exists and that it is the crux of your argument that machines can never make humans obsolete.
If you agree that it makes no sense to attempt to scientifically assert that humans will always be greater then computers then okay. No shame in being wrong.
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Poussin
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Depends on how you define the terms. However, I do not believe that is Hawking’s argument that humans will become ‘obsolete’, regardless of how you define the term. He is not making a value judgement between the two, but a physical reality, that machines can strip humans of the means of survival.
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cerad3
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Yep. I agree completely.
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BrassAnkles
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With all due respect it is not a physical reality. Computers nor machines cannot repair themselves nor plan for the unexpected nor much less harness that which they need to survive - electrical energy. Even if they were able to “recognize” electrical energy, how would they connect or even know the voltage and amps their equipment needs?
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cerad3
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This is so very sad. Research a bit on robot vacuum cleaners. These clever little devices know when they need power and are perfectly capable of finding an outlet and plugging themselves in. Some can also send messages and have a power supply come to them. Once connected the robot can talk to the power source and negotiate what sort of power (voltage, amps, phase etc) it needs.
I know it can be scary but try telling whomever you are dictating your posts to that you would like to try using a computer all by yourself. They really are amazing.
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BrassAnkles
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So what you are saying is then a robot vacuum machine merely needs to marry an AI machine and have little cross breed machines that are aware and can go plug themselves in. Of course when a fuse is blown or all the resources used to run the power plants run out what will they do then??
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cerad3
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Please make sure you use proper back support and lift with your legs when moving your goal posts. Some of them can be quite heavy and it’s clear that you already have enough issues in your life to deal with. Don’t want to add severe back injury to them.So what you are saying is then a robot vacuum machine merely needs to marry an AI machine and have little cross breed machines that are aware and can go plug themselves in. Of course when a fuse is blown or all the resources used to run the power plants run out what will they do then??
You might also consider getting someone else to read the posts to you. Your current reader has serious comprehension problems. They somehow got the idea that I was talking about cross breeding. Is the person reading to you a Christian? That might explain the obsession with sex.
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BrassAnkles
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Can a computer diagnose itself? What if a part needs to be replaced? How will all of the raw materials needed to create parts be mined and turned into suitable material?
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Hee_Zen
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I was wondering when will someone bring up the already existing examples of artificial, self-reproducing entities… which exhibit many features of life. They spread, they mutate, they change, they prey upon their hosts, sometimes even kill them. Any guess what I am talking about?
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