Philosophical Proofs For the Existence of God

[warpspeedpetey]

Wow. And to think that I was just recently told in my thread that no Christian uses these sort of arguments.

are you saying the argument is wrong?

if so, then why do you think the argument is wrong?

 

[warpspeedpetey]

Thanks for all your effort, but the god you worship isn’t the kind of god I would even consider worshiping. If that’s the only choice then that god needs to be gotten rid of and just get by with no god at all.

how do you propose to do away with G-d? thats just more pride, we already know where that leads.

A god that would kill innocent babies is no better than an abortionist. If it’s OK for a god to do away with babies because they will end up in a better place then it’s OK for anyone to do the same because surely that god would wrap his holy arms around those babies.

That’s just unthinkable.

you not only dont understand what G-d understands, you cant understand what G-d understands.

if G-d takes a life, it is His life to take, why is that wrong?

because you dont understand?

im sorry, but im having a hard time seeing this as anything more than you shaking your fist at heaven and telling G-d that he doesnt meet your standards. pride

i tend not to pulll punches, if you want someone to make you feel good, im not the guy. i prefer rationalism to emotion. sorry

 

[Oreoracle]

are you saying the argument is wrong?

if so, then why do you think the argument is wrong?

I invite you to read the OP, at least, of my thread, “Why Should God Be the Moral Authority?” It would be easier than me reiterating it here.

 

[Namesake]

how do you propose to do away with G-d? thats just more pride, we already know where that leads.

you not only dont understand what G-d understands, you cant understand what G-d understands.

if G-d takes a life, it is His life to take, why is that wrong?

because you dont understand?

im sorry, but im having a hard time seeing this as anything more than you shaking your fist at heaven and telling G-d that he doesnt meet your standards. pride

i tend not to pulll punches, if you want someone to make you feel good, im not the guy. i prefer rationalism to emotion. sorry

I know that you are well intentioned and I respect your belief in your God. I don’t accept such a god. There are alternatives and I will go in a different direction.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

you not only dont understand what G-d understands, you cant understand what G-d understands.

if G-d takes a life, it is His life to take, why is that wrong?

because you dont understand?

im sorry, but im having a hard time seeing this as anything more than you shaking your fist at heaven and telling G-d that he doesnt meet your standards. pride

i tend not to pulll punches, if you want someone to make you feel good, im not the guy. i prefer rationalism to emotion. sorry

I know that you are well intentioned and I respect your belief in your God. I don’t accept such a god. There are alternatives and I will go in a different direction.

im afraid you wont like allah any better, for the same reasons, and no other faith claims ana ctual G-d, so where is there left to go?

 

[warpspeedpetey]

I invite you to read the OP, at least, of my thread, “Why Should God Be the Moral Authority?” It would be easier than me reiterating it here.

ok

1. His purpose for your creation takes precedence, over your desires.

you were created as a tool to fulfill a purpose, when i make a tool, i make it for my purposes not the tools desires.

1. “While I must agree that, if God can be proven to know more than any being (I don’t know how one can use inferior intelligence to discover a superior intelligence), and he shares our interests, he should be our moral authority”

its obvious he has a greater intelligence than us because he has created physical systems we do not understand and cannot reproduce, nor will we ever be able to.

as to the same interests, our interests are entirely secondary to the Divine Will, like it or not, we arent quite as intrinisically important as you or hume seems to suspect.

3)in the case of G-d might does make right, as he is the creator and owner of everything. the social structures you refer to did not, which is why its not true in their case. sounds like a fallacy of composition.

i think that you put a lot more importance on our individuality than is warranted.

further, you agree that G-d should be the moral authority…if He meets our conditions.

thats like my dog suddenly piping up and saying" hey warp!, im only going to let you own me, if you let me sleep on the couch, and keep my food bowl full of X brand kibble, otherwise, i wont let you own me."

of course at that point i le thte dog know that he doesn’t set the rules, and i own him no matter what his opinion is.

point is you dont get a choice. we are G-ds property whether we choose to acknowledge it or not.

 

[Xuan]

How fortunate you were to be able to go to school where you did; to be handed the cache of knowledge you were handed. Don’t blame yourself. You’re not dumb. Obviously, you have a degree. Is it a B.A. degree, a B.S. degree? Humanities, liberal arts, sciences? If so, you have the background to think much more clearly than you are right now. Don’t worry about it. Just take it as it comes. God bless you for striving.

jd

This post was much more civil than your previous one. Thank you.

It was a BFA (fine arts) maybe that’s what’s wrong with me. (smile)

In reference to your previous post, no, I’m not angry. I realize that sometimes I can be flip and sarcastic, but it’s not anger.

 

[Xuan]

you know, that gift of faith was the first one i got, i have no intellectual problem with the faith, mine are all internal, like lust, and anger, etc.

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**as I tried to explain before, this thread started wrongly.
Later people didn’t make any efforts to understand each other. Significant for this phenomenon are answers consisting just of the icon

or imputation and accusation instead of love and understanding.

Hermeneutics is not only the art of understanding, but also the wanting to understand.

It’s became a no-good thread and I will avoid it now and unsubscribe from this thread.

Let’s all remember: Love is the foundation of Christianity. But LOVE seems to be a foreign word here!
**

 

[Oreoracle]

Let’s all remember: Love is the foundation of Christianity. But LOVE seems to be a foreign word here!

Most of the time, the same people you see championing love have redefined “love” to mean something other than attraction or tolerance.

So no, it’s not a foreign word. Your definition is just archaic.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread has run its course and gone way off topic. Please feel free to start new threads on side issues or join existing ones of interest. Thank you, all.