Philosophy of mind

[billcu1]

What does the church teach as far as mind goes? dualism or monism? or what? Also if loss of grace kills the soul. What was there before sanctifying grace enters at baptism?

 

[GEddie]

What does the church teach as far as mind goes? dualism or monism? or what? Also if loss of grace kills the soul. What was there before sanctifying grace enters at baptism?

The Church would say that our mind proceeds from the soul (rational soul): however, how our minds interact with our bodies, specifically the brain, is a matter for science to solve.

ICXC NIKA

 

[billcu1]

The Church would say that our mind proceeds from the soul (rational soul): however, how our minds interact with our bodies, specifically the brain, is a matter for science to solve.

ICXC NIKA

I have heard other philosophies about mind but I guess what is important here is to next ask what the rational soul is? What is the soul that is killed by mortal sin?

 

[Love4All]

What does the church teach as far as mind goes? dualism or monism? or what? Also if loss of grace kills the soul. What was there before sanctifying grace enters at baptism?

I have heard other philosophies about mind but I guess what is important here is to next ask what the rational soul is? What is the soul that is killed by mortal sin?

The two main powers of the soul are will and intellect. The intellect is the part of us that has the knowing power and the will, that has the loving power. But I do not think that this division makes the soul a dual entity, since it is one “I” who experiences these things.

My view is that mind is a fifth dimension beyond the four of time and space. Thus, the selfsame being who has a body in space-time also has a mind in “time-awareness.” (Awareness is the substance of the fifth dimension.)

The fifth dimension that is private to each of us is what we call mind. It includes the intellect, the memory, and the imagination.

The Life that is killed in the soul by mortal sin is the Divine life of grace. It is our participation in God’s interior Life that is the state of grace.

To relate the two topics, mortal sin can manifest mentally in feelings of guilt and remorse, which are good if they lead to contrition.

The state of grace, being participation in the Divine life, is not something natural to any animal species; rather, it is supernatural, and that is why it is conferred in the Sacrament of Baptism. Before that, the human being is in the natural condition of its own individual life, but not the Life of the Body of Christ. And the individual is destined to die, whereas Christ is alive forever.

 

[GEddie]

I have heard other philosophies about mind but I guess what is important here is to next ask what the rational soul is? What is the soul that is killed by mortal sin?

Soul is simply the English word for psyche (the Greek word translated “soul” in Scripture).

Psyche is not the mind, per se. Greek has a separate word, nous, for mind. However, in the Western world since classical times, we have identified mind with soul; therefore the word psychology and not noology.

Based on Scripture, psyche is life. When psyche departs, life ends. Psyche keeps body (soma) alive.

All life has a soul, but not all souls are created equal. Only the human soul (in its live head) generates a rational mind; therefore it is a rational soul.

The Latin word for soul is “anima.” An animal is a being with a soul, but not a rational, or human soul. Anima produces movement; whence the word “animated.”

We should not think of the soul “dying” in the sense of a dead body. Soul, unlike a body, has no parts to deteriorate; it is unitary; so continues to operate, keeping body alive, “leading your limbs,” and generating your rational mind. In sin, however, the source of life (which is a breathing from God) is cut off, and psyche’s operations are therefore tainted.

ICXC NIKA

 

[fhansen]

What does the church teach as far as mind goes? dualism or monism? or what? Also if loss of grace kills the soul. What was there before sanctifying grace enters at baptism?

Basically, Adam fell from grace -and Christ restores it.

 

[Foofaraw]

What does the church teach as far as mind goes? dualism or monism? or what? Also if loss of grace kills the soul. What was there before sanctifying grace enters at baptism?

Here is an alternative view of mind from Greylorn Ell’s book. It is not promoted by any major religion, but answers most questions about the relationship between soul, mind, and body, while bypassing the rest.

The soul is a non-created entity that has always existed. It has the potential to think, learn, and achieve consciousness, but is too weak to accomplish this without help. There are reasons in physics that explain this.

The soul is taught to think by the human brain. A few months before birth, when the necessary tuning and antenna circuits are developed within the fetal brain, they are activated so as to attract and connect a particular soul to that brain-body system.

As the child’s brain grows and learns, the attached soul goes along for the ride. The ride lasts until the soul finally achieves its first tastes of self-awareness, and can take charge. This charge is temporary and intermittent, for we are necessarily dependent upon our brains throughout life.

There is no specific physical or spiritual component of this soul-brain system that can be called “mind.” The tasks of soul and brain are sometimes integrated, but other times independent of one another.

Concepts and mechanisms may be related thusly: That which psychology identifies as the sub-conscious mind is actually the entire human brain. Some psychologists accept the existence of a “super-conscious” mind. This is actually the soul, and in most individuals is relatively inactive.

The conscious mind is not a physical thing. It is the result of the interactions between brain and soul.

At death, the brain stops, allowing the soul to escape the confines of a now-useless body and return to its natural state. With luck the soul will have achieved a sufficiently high level of consciousness that it can remain in its natural state and retain consciousness, unassociated with any body.

 

[GEddie]

Is this the Greylorn who used to be on the CAF?

 

[D_Martin]

I have heard other philosophies about mind but I guess what is important here is to next ask what the rational soul is? What is the soul that is killed by mortal sin?

The soul is of God, hence the requirement to be in the Presence of God in order for the soul to be alive. So the soul is for Light that is of God (His Word which is the Light of men) and darkness is not the place for men nor is mankind the place for darkness. Therefore the place of sin (darkness), now mankind’s flesh, can not be in the full revelation of God, or it will burn. So its, by Spirit and Truth is God known and worshiped. The flesh can not inherit nor participate in the things of the Kingdom of God.

 

[Love4All]

Here is an alternative view of mind from Greylorn Ell’s book. It is not promoted by any major religion, but answers most questions about the relationship between soul, mind, and body, while bypassing the rest.
. . .

Congratulations, Greylorn Ell, you’ve discovered Hinduism, and renamed the Atman a Beon. Bravo!:clapping:

There is indeed, nothing new under the Sun.

 

[Love4All]

The soul is of God, hence the requirement to be in the Presence of God in order for the soul to be alive. So the soul is for Light that is of God (His Word which is the Light of men) and darkness is not the place for men nor is mankind the place for darkness. Therefore the place of sin (darkness), now mankind’s flesh, can not be in the full revelation of God, or it will burn. So its, by Spirit and Truth is God known and worshiped. The flesh can not inherit nor participate in the things of the Kingdom of God.

So, “the Word became Flesh,” all to no avail?

 

[D_Martin]

So, “the Word became Flesh,” all to no avail?

The soul is saved, not the flesh, therefore the soul is the inheritor of all that the Lord God has for His People. Fulfillment in the flesh (our flesh) returns to the ground, fulfillment in the Spirit gives power of God to be resurrected and be given a body that is acceptable in the Presence of God. The Body that Christ resurrected. Hence the Word became flesh that we may receive that which is not only acceptable in the fully revealed Presence of God, but is also the place that is given by God through His Son for us to be in His creation, which is restored by Jesus Christ to the Father’s satisfaction.

Jesus is described as the second Adam for a reason, when you are born into this world you receive the life that Adam has, when you are born of the Holy Spirit you receive the Life Jesus Christ has.

Luke:3:38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (the first Adam)

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Men value this life and the fulfillment thereof, and rarely seek God unless it is to receive a fulfillment in this life in the flesh, but the Lord God values His Life with His People.

 

[Love4All]

The soul is saved, not the flesh, therefore the soul is the inheritor of all that the Lord God has for His People. Fulfillment in the flesh (our flesh) returns to the ground, fulfillment in the Spirit gives power of God to be resurrected and be given a body that is acceptable in the Presence of God. The Body that Christ resurrected. Hence the Word became flesh that we may receive that which is not only acceptable in the fully revealed Presence of God, but is also the place that is given by God through His Son for us to be in His creation, which is restored by Jesus Christ to the Father’s satisfaction.

Jesus is described as the second Adam for a reason, when you are born into this world you receive the life that Adam has, when you are born of the Holy Spirit you receive the Life Jesus Christ has.

Luke:3:38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (the first Adam)

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Men value this life and the fulfillment thereof, and rarely seek God unless it is to receive a fulfillment in this life in the flesh, but the Lord God values His Life with His People.

On the contrary, Scripture says,

Job 19:26
And from my flesh I shall see God; . . .

The Lamb of God came to take away sin. That which is taken away, is no more. Therefore the Work of Christ will not be finished until all sin is taken away, from this world.

 

[D_Martin]

On the contrary, Scripture says,

Job 19:26
And from my flesh I shall see God; . . .

The Lamb of God came to take away sin. That which is taken away, is no more. Therefore the Work of Christ will not be finished until all sin is taken away, from this world.

You were born into the flesh that was given to you of Adam isn’t your flesh that is your’s of Adam?

Then tell me what is the mean of the first part of the verse you so conveniently omitted? How is it that he will see his Savior in his flesh though is it eaten with worms? Unless he receive the same that Jesus has that then will be his to have a possess?

Also read (1Cor:15:35-50 ). Note also though Jesus proved that is was His body, He also appeared into the room without entering through the door, and vanished when He was talking to the two men when they sat to break bread, like angels do, but yet it is truly His body that suffered on the cross. His body is sinless, no sin found in Him, but yet He suffered the sinners death, voluntarily. Therefore no sin, by any known judgement no condemnation to death, His body being uncorrupted or incorruptible. Which is acceptable in God’s sight, but the bodies we have are unacceptable in God’s sight. The corrupted is not changed to uncorrupted because its corrupted, the corrupted is replaced with the uncorrupted, which is acceptable in God’s sight.

As far as sin in this world, sorry if this world was savable there would be no world to come. (Mt:12:32, Mk:10:30,Lk:18:30) Why would there be a world to come if this one is sinless? If this one is sinless then it would be acceptable for God’s Presence.

Also I do believe it was the Lord who said on the Cross it is finished, hence the work of the Lord is complete, fulfilled, perfect.