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Philosophy seems to one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts. First thing to do is find a former thinker you can identify with and get on board. Heaven forbid that you ever think on your own:thumbsup:
 
Philosophy seems to one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts. First thing to do is find a former thinker you can identify with and get on board. Heaven forbid that you ever think on your own:thumbsup:
I don’t think it’s very appropriate to make such statements about philosophy and philosophers. I would equate this with similar statements about other religions personally.
 
Hey Mike,

What a great philosophical reflection on pseudophilosophers! I think you’d make quite a good philosopher yourself if you wanted to. What I’m trying to say is, you need good philosophy like yours to take down bad philosophers like the ones you criticize. I’m so glad you took time to formulate your argument with such lucidity. Please keep thinking so that we can bring to the Truth all those who still find themselves searching.

In Christ,

Brother Scott
Apostle of the Interior Life, Rome
 
Philosophy seems to one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts. First thing to do is find a former thinker you can identify with and get on board. Heaven forbid that you ever think on your own:thumbsup:
You should study the works of a truly great, contemporary, Catholic philosopher named Roger Scruton. He was on EWTN not too long ago. As a result, I bought and read his book, Culture Counts. Excellent, excellent work. He’s written over 30 books. What an asbolute champion of all that’s right in this crazy world. 👍
 
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Philosophy seems to one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts.

I like very much the first part of this definition. I don’t think all philosophers are equally confused, though they all might have been more or less equally confused when they started out! Then again, some philosophers when they end up seem to be more confused than when they started! For example, reading Bertrand Russell’s works from start to finish (he lived to be 97) suggests a man who was constantly finding his way, only to lose it again … and again … and yet again.
 
Philosophy seems to be one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts.
Whether we like it or not we are all philosophers because philosophy is the interpretation of reality. How can we be quite sure we know exactly who we are, what we are and what we are about? Much of the suffering in the world is caused precisely by people who regard themselves as infallible. Philosophy is not a luxury but a necessity…
 
I am not a philosopher, but it does not mean I question who am I.

I am a child of God in a constant search to know more regarding the absolute TRUTH, Jesus Christ. I do not suffer of any type of identity.

Whoever keeps searching for the real Truth is n the right path, I believe.

In total humility I’ll repeat the famous quotation "I only know that I know nothing."
God is everything and I’m just a spec in the universe.

Please, correct me if I was wrong;)
 
The original meaning of the word “philosophy” is “love of wisdom”. We all ought to be philosophers to some extent!

The problem is not philosophy but philosopherS. And the main problem with philosophers is that they have deviated from the perennial philosophy of the Catholic Church.

Philosophy is meant to be “the handmaiden of Theology”. The Church has recognized St. Thomas Aquinas as a main starting point for both philosophy and theology.

St. Thomas roots his philosophy in common sense and clear thinking, as well as in the teaching of the Church.
 
The problem is not philosophy but philosopherS.
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Thank you!
That’s what I meant. We all, have a philosophy in our lives, no question about it.
 
"To be ignorant and simple now—not to be able to meet the enemies on their own ground—would be to throw down our weapons, and to betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defence but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered." ~ C.S. Lewis
 
G.K. Chesterton said, “Philosophy is thought that has been thought out.” Beautiful.

I don’t blame you for thinking that philosophy is just a bunch of B.S. There are a lot of self-proclaimed philosophers who have confused people for no good reason (in general, they are called modern philosophers).

On the same vein, I don’t blame people for not being Christian. There are a lot of hypocrites out there that give a false impression of who Christ is by their example.

I don’t blame anyone for anything. Our job is to preach the Gospel. And use words when necessary. And in such an event where words are necessary, that’s where philosophy comes in … sometimes … at least to convert the intelligent heathens and the deeply confused. If you use badly thought-out philosophy, of course, you could make the situation worse. But that’s true for everything.

Anything that is a careful, thought-out, systematized look at truth can be called philosophy. Is such a thing to be condemned?
 
G.K. Chesterton said, “Philosophy is thought that has been thought out.” Beautiful.
What’s that quote from?
Sorry for not responding to your question in awhile … slipped through the cracks.

It’s from The Common Man (a book of his essays I think?). Anyway, here’s a link to the full essay:

chesterton.org/gkc/philosopher/revivalpPhilosophy.htm

Here is the full paragraph that has that quote:
Philosophy is merely thought that has been thought out. It is often a great bore. But man has no alternative, except between being influenced by thought that has been thought out and being influenced by thought that has not been thought out. The latter is what we commonly call culture and enlightenment today. But man is always influenced by thought of some kind, his own or somebody else’s; that of somebody he trusts or that of somebody he never heard of, thought at first, second or third hand; thought from exploded legends or unverified rumours; but always something with the shadow of a system of values and a reason for preference. A man does test everything by something. The question here is whether he has ever tested the test.
So good …:extrahappy:
 
Philosophy is a way of thinking. It’s a way of questioning.

When it comes to science, we can agree or even understand another scientists theories, and formuals…we can prove them, accept them and use them. However , we do not have to go through the same “thought process” that the original scientist went through, to gain the same conclusion. That is why it’s called a proof. The “thinking” involved behind the theory is only interesting. It doesn’t affect the validitiy of the theory itself.

IE…once a scientist has discovered something, the human element behind the discovery is no longer part of the scientific discovery.

Philopsophy is different. It’s that human element, behind discovery, that philosophy attempts to delve into.

One does not need to have faith in science, because it doesn’t not require a thought process by those who follow it. It can prove itself.

Philosophy on the other hand, is not something you can ever “accept” because some-one else say’s so. You must traverse the same path as the philosopher, thinking, learning, challenging, humbling and ultimately discovering that which may already be known by another, but not by oneself.

It is not hard to see why philosophy and science once interconnected because both explored the nature of the unknown. Science and philosophy split, when the natural world, became known and/or techniques could be developed that would allow us to know with certainty. And humans crave if not anything else…certainty. Science no longer required a laborious attempt to understand the “scientist” to understand the theory they made.

Philosophy had it’s place, and I suspect…will have a much greater place and play a much greater role in human society, in my own lifetime. I already see the emergence of this and embrace it’s resurgance.

Science, while very useful and is an absolute submission to truth of the natural world…it .cannot challenge us as individuals, in the way philosophy can. 🙂

Cheers
 
hmm, I hate to be difficult about this and OT, but it is not possible to have a scientific proof, it relates to the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. A bit of research into the philosophy of science will explain it further, but it is a common, and sometimes dangerous mistake. We can prove mathematical models, but still need to experiment to show if they are indeed the case, which can not be proven.
 
hmm, I hate to be difficult about this and OT, but it is not possible to have a scientific proof, it relates to the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. A bit of research into the philosophy of science will explain it further, but it is a common, and sometimes dangerous mistake. We can prove mathematical models, but still need to experiment to show if they are indeed the case, which can not be proven.
That’s a very good question. I think, though perhaps I’m off, it goes something like this…

Certainly a mathematical and even philosophical proof based on first principles is different from a physical scientific proof based on observations of physical phenomena. The former is based on self-evident principles while the latter is based on observed repetitions in the universe that make us finally call them “laws.” But these repetitions in physical reality are certainly not metaphysical necessities, but we do call them natural or physical necessities … though these necessities can be conceivably broken (as in the case with miracles, I would say). I suppose there could still be called physical scientific “proofs” but with the understanding that it is quite a different use of the word “proof” than that of mathematics and philosophy which deals with metaphysical necessity rather than the very consistent tendency of nature.
 
hmm, I hate to be difficult about this and OT, but it is not possible to have a scientific proof, it relates to the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. A bit of research into the philosophy of science will explain it further, but it is a common, and sometimes dangerous mistake. We can prove mathematical models, but still need to experiment to show if they are indeed the case, which can not be proven.
Not sure if you were responding to me, but yes you are right.

My point was not so much on the concept of “proof” but rather the process we go through when utilizing science(and mathematics), was not one where we had to understand the scientist themselves(and why they could draw these conclusions from a natural world)

IE, many physicists use quantum mechanics. Not only do they not really know WHY it works, they have no idea of the thought processes involved in the physicist who first claimed the theories. But, utilizing these theories, has produced great results and works regardless of the scientist involved, hence our modern world.

Philosophy doesn’t work this way. You can “claim” another philosophers argument and build on his ideas, but it won’t work unless you understand how he got there in the first place. And I see this on religious forums all the time. People using “philosophical” proofs of God, never knowing what they really mean because they’ve never gone through the thought process involved and hence, never convincing anyone of anything.

You can’t understand a philisophical view, without thinking down the same path as the philosopher. You can understand a mathematical theorem, without knowing the name of the person who first discovered it.

I hope that clarifies my position at least. I think it’s a huge difference between the two and probably one of the most important(in my mind at least)
 
Philosophy seems to one of those issues for those who are not sure who they are, or what they are about, try to find others that are equally confused and are trying to sort out their own thoughts. First thing to do is find a former thinker you can identify with and get on board. Heaven forbid that you ever think on your own:thumbsup:
Well Philosophy is essentially a search for knowledge which is the most valuable asset. Philosophy is grounded in Metaphysics (Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going? etc.). No two people can think exactly alike, but most of the great philosophers (my opinion being St. Thomas Aquinas was the greatest mind that ever lived) searched for these answers objectively and of course were based on other peoples’ knowledge beforehand.

We ask for peoples’ opinions in real life situations which allow us to use their knowledge to make a decision (Have you tried that ice cream flavor? How is it? Good? Then I’ll try some.) Why should we not use the opinions of great thinkers when attempting to answer these difficult questions.

I’m reading St. Aquinas’ commentary on Nicomachean Ethics currently, fascinating. The two greatest Philosophical minds combined.

Laus Deo
 
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