Photographs from 2005 Los Angeles Religious Education Conference

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But I will offer it up for Blue Rose, because I am the doubting Thomas who denies that things are so bad…until I see photos like this!!! Thank you for posting, give me a chance to find some Pepto and then post some more!
 
:bowdown2: Bless you, my child. I think I could sleep now.

Sorry, I am out of Pepto… will a stomach pump do?

BlueRose
 
GloriaPatri4 said:
Did anyone here attend the LA RE Conference?

No, but my diocesean director of religious education does - on a yearly basis.
 
I suppose Rome knows very well what’s going on. Beyond a few ambivalent statements, there’s no fear of real censure let alone action. After all who made and tolerated the appointments all this time? Where does the buck stop?

This obviously goes deeper than many are prepared to admit and as long as people keep filling the collection baskets. How many people were in that huge arena? 5,000? I wonder if they had a collection.

Like another post said, let’s face it, this is the spirit of Vatican 2. . It’s a long way from the simple beauty and piety of the traditional Catholic Mass of course, but is it so different from the guitar and tambourine masses that immediately followed the council? And is it not, in spirit, an extension of the difference between the traditional mass and the New Order mass? So why complain?
 
If I lived there I would not set foot in a chuch under the control of Mahony or the Bishop of the Orange Diocese.

The wife and I may visit LA next year, but I will go to the Byzantine Divine Liturgy - not out of spite, but because they don’t do these childish and stupid things.

Mahony should be fired. This is disgusting.
 
HumbleSinner said:
The singer is not in a very modest pose especially with that slit half way up her skirt. It appears From this photo our Southern CA teenage girls had front row seats.

Well, even though the Congress was sponsored by the Los Angeles Archdiocese and Holy Mass was offered by the Cardinal himself, it took place in the Diocese of Orange. No doubt the So. CA girls in the front row seats, and many others, were scandalized by the entire affair. So it is no surprise that when OC Altar Servers were honored at a Mass recently, they were pictured in some of the most inappropriate clothing for Mass, particularly for altar servers who should know better. Who is training the servers? The server honored as the most deserving was pictured with the Auxillary Bishop, His Excellency Bishop Jaime Soto. Her clothing was a disgrace. Why have altar girls anyway? They cannot become priests so what is the point?

God saves.
 
HumbleSinner said:
The singer is not in a very modest pose especially with that slit half way up her skirt. It appears From this photo our Southern CA teenage girls had front row seats.

I thought she messed up and wore it backwards.😃
 
Am I missing something or why don’t those who have liberal bishops and priests just STOP GIVING MONEY! If you don’t support this trash then they will have to stop it, for lack of funds. Hit them in the pocketbook, or if not, then for Heaven’s sake (and yours) stop attending these bizarre “masses” and attend an Indult Latin Mass or go to a SSPX mass. The masses are valid and none of this kind of thing goes on, ever!
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I am all for accuarcy, but to be honest whether the photos are from this year or last year or the year before really is almost beside the point. Has there been a grand conversion among all those in the LA diocese who promote such things? I have heard not read there has been one.

This thread only highlights what some may not know about the heterodoxy that continues in that diocese. If you corrected the record as to the dates, wonderful.

I will pray for those in that diocese and my diocese which is almost as liberal.
 
God saves:
So it is no surprise that when OC Altar Servers were honored at a Mass recently, they were pictured in some of the most inappropriate clothing for Mass, particularly for altar servers who should know better. Who is training the servers? The server honored as the most deserving was pictured with the Auxillary Bishop, His Excellency Bishop Jaime Soto. Her clothing was a disgrace. Why have altar girls anyway? They cannot become priests so what is the point?

God saves.
Dear God saves,

Would you happen to have a copy of that picture? In what newspaper did you see it in?
 
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Genesis315:
The best word I can use to describe what was going on there is “cheesy.” I couldn’t imagine anyone in the “audience” actually watching this with a straight face. It looks so absurd and like such a joke.
I mean: is this for real? What a flippin’ joke! I heard of such abuses, but to see this sort of foolishness boggles my mind- God save us, and God bless Pope Benedict 16th!!
 
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kerry:
Am I missing something or why don’t those who have liberal bishops and priests just STOP GIVING MONEY! If you don’t support this trash then they will have to stop it, for lack of funds. Hit them in the pocketbook, or if not, then for Heaven’s sake (and yours) stop attending these bizarre “masses” and attend an Indult Latin Mass or go to a SSPX mass. The masses are valid and none of this kind of thing goes on, ever!
Latin Indult, yes.

SSPX, NO! See the Ask an Apologist board, they are NOT valid.
 


2005 Speaker List

**“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” **St. Matthew 7:15

Rev. Gwynne Guibord:
Please ask why a militant Lesbian Protestant Feminist Minister who is an endorser of the Sexuality Information and Education Council’s (SIECUS’S) controversial declaration that among other things calls for a religious commitment to “sexual and reproductive rights” which is really code for abortion, has been invited to speak to you on “One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism”. For more information, please do a search for her name on the Web. You will be very enlightened if you do!

Scott Appleby:
A prominent liberal on the University of Notre Dame faculty, in 1995 co-edited, with **Woman Church feminist Mary Jo Weaver, “*Being Right: Conservative Catholics in America”. ***This book is an arrogant report on “**Catholic Fundamentalist” **who, Weaver says, hold “presup-positions including a **belief in God and in absolute truth; an assumption that God’s will can be known from Scripture and the teaching of the church; and a desire to be faithful to God by following church teaching.” **Appleby’s concluding essay endorses Weaver’s opinion that traditional Catholic faithful institutions and groups are “pathetically ineffective in exercising any real influence beyond their walls, “because they prepare people “for a world that no longer exists.” Among such “fundamental–ists” the book includes pro-lifers, homeschoolers, Catholics United for the Faith and Family, the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars – and Pope John Paul II.

Fr. Gerald Coleman:

This Priest, the rector of a Major Seminary, supports so called Domestic Partner legislation, and has stated such in his article “Is Proposition 22 Discriminatory?” What does the Holy See say about this: “It is from this quarter that one is more likely to find those who seek to ‘manipulate the church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws” (cf. No. 5), those who use the tactic of protesting that “any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people…are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination” (cf. No. 9)

Fr. Patrick Brennan:
He has spoken out vehemently against indulgences in his homilies, yet Pope Paul VI cited the Council of Trent thusly: “The Church teaches and command that the usage of indulgences…approved by the authority of the sacred councils, should be kept in the Church and condemns as an anathema those who say that indulgences are useless, or that the Church does not have the power to grant them.” At a Call to Action meeting he said that the old Church had to hurry up and die so that the new one could be born. Based on that statement, it would seem he believes that the real Catholic Church did not exists until recent times, despite Our Lord’s saying to Simon Bar-Jona, “THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.”

Fr. Richard Rohr:
At the March 1997 New Ways Ministry Symposium, he described his retreats at the Center for Action and Contemplation which are for men only, he describes them as involving the participants removal of clothing and touching one another in sensitive areas. (wounded areas, Fr. Rohr calls these.) Fr. Rohr was reprimanded by Archbishop Sheehan for co-presiding with Fr. Robinson at the “wedding” of a lesbian couple.

Dr. Diana Hayes:
“The Master’s tools will never dismantle the Master’s house; dismantling of the entire house is needed, from within and without, using tools of our own creation” was her keynote address to the Women’s Ordination Committee, November, 1995.

Kathleen Chesto:
At the 1994 Congress, she told her audience she has rejected the All-Good, All-Powerful, All-Loving God of Catholic teaching. Instead she proposes a limited process god who suffers with people but cannot help them.

THIS IS JUST A PARTIAL LIST, SPACE DOESN’T ALLOW A COMPLETE LIST

Ask yourself a question. Why is it that even token orthodox Catholic speakers such as Dr. Peter Kreeft, Dr. Janet Smith, Fr. Benedict Groeschel, Dr. Dolores Grier, etc. are hardly ever, if ever invited back to speak at this Congress, while dissenters are almost always invited back time and time again

crcoa.tripod.com/archives/rel_cong_speaker_lists/2005_list.htm
 
The sad thing is, these kinds of dances aren’t liked anyway. Anyone that has had to sit through a 2 hour dance recital knows… especially after the 7th ballet dance to an ozzy osborne song… mama i’m coming home, watching people that think they can dance… it’s painful and boring to watch.

I’ve never seen litugical dancers. The local diocese here is what many of you would call liberal… the bishop lets the dancing happen at the cathedral. However, in the local parish the priest would probably pull dancers out of the church by their ears if they danced during the offertory.
 
Given everything else that has happened with the Mass specifically and the Church in general since the winds of spring entered after Vatican 11, is anyone surprised at anything at all anymore? I’m not. I just sit at home and cry. :crying: :crying: :crying:
 
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UnworthySoul:
SSPX, NO! See the Ask an Apologist board, they are NOT valid.
It is somewhat curious that the SSPX Traditional Latin Masses, including those with the Gregorian chant, are not valid, according to you, but that Masses with dancing girls or clown Masses are OK, or “valid”?
 
Lord have mercy.

Cardinal Mahoney. Why he is not excommunicated, I do not know…

This isnt even the half. This guy just keeps going and going. If he doesnt want to be a cardinal or a bishop, send in your resignation, please…

My cousin went to LA. He said it was one of the worst masses he has ever attended. During the eucharist everyone gathered around the altar and did some wierdness… it was horrid.
 
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John_19_59:
Face it.

This IS the fruit of the Second Vatican Council.

This has been coming a long time.

We had a perfect Mass before VII, it had absolutely no need for reform. There is not one single good reason for it to have changed.

What was wrong with it?

I speak as a person who has never attended a Latin Mass in the time since the reforms took affect - ie. I attend Novus Ordo, but I long for the return of reverence in our worship.

From 1965 the Church opened its doors to confusion and abuse.

The smoke of Satan did indeed enter the sanctuary - as Pope Paul VI said.

The Church desperately needs a proper DOGMATIC council with condemnations of errors as at previous councils. A council that clearly defines Church teaching without loopholes - something that did not happen at VII.

Then we will see who assents or not.

Then we will see the sheep and the wolves.

St Michael defend us in the day of battle, be our safegauard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.

Lord have mercy on us.
I have had many conversations about this with my cousin who is a seminarian. He is currently studying the liturgy, and the bottom line is… it did need reform. But I personally believe we did NOT need a whole new mass, but a reform of the Tridentine. And mostly because the latin launguage was dying out in America and people no longer cared to learn it, so old ladys were praying there rosaries while the mass was going on. There were preists who were going through what is normally what? An hour mass, maybe more… in like 20 minutes. There were problems, and it needed to happen. But the Novus ordo did not, and that’s my problem.

I’m no NO is NOt valid, but I dod believe it lacks on quite a few levels.
 
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