Physical Church Requirements?

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Is there a document for the Ruthenian Church that specifies exactly what is required for the celebration of the Divine Liturgy in terms of church and liturgical furnishings?

What altar(s), icons, candles, lights, etc. etc. are required?
 
I do think it is the best “all serving” option out there to join those who do believe in a ‘power’ and thoes who don’t. Almost like Realists with Hope, not Faith. I mean hope in there being something greater than ‘the end’ for us all. Not hope that there is a all knowing mean old passive ‘God’. Hmmmmm, I’ve herd the UU’s are the sceptic seekers who cannot believe in about any one religion, risk adjustment coding invoice factoring so this is why they have a physical church and we don’t. Thet’ve been at this for a long time & probably do talk alot about Reality, although I’ve never been to the church here 'cause churches give me the creeps usually. Then it is that we are supporting incomes etc. and may fall victim to being a part of the potential religious separatism that I’m trying to avoid in the first place. OOOOOOOOOps, that was 8 cents & now I will have to cross post to the thread on having a physical church now.
 
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The Ordo Celebrationis:
patronagechurch.com/Ordo-English-1955/htm/001.htm
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To synopsize the requirements therein:
  • sanctuary dais raised one step or more above the nave; no additional dais within.
  • Free standing square altar in the center of the sanctuary.
  • Tabernacle upon the altar, shaped like a church, and not too big.
  • Candles upon the altar or on stand behind the altar, and not too big, or an oil lamp behind the altar.
  • No reliquaries, flowers, or other decorations upon the altar.
  • the service book may be upon a pillow on the altar or upon a freestanding bookstand to the left of the celebrant.
  • a thurible with a short chain so it can be swum full-chain.
  • icon screen has at least Christ to right (South), Theotokos to left (North).
  • a discos with raised lip is required; it may, but not must, have a short stem.
  • only the vestments and impliments specified in the Ordo are to be used.
  • small bells, harmoniums, and organs are explicitly forbidden.
The ordo does not specify the doors as required, nor their icons, but the rubrics note when they are to be opened or closed. Same for the curtain.

It specifies that the tradition is for four great icons: Christ, Theotokos, and Traditionally, also, St. Nicholas to left of Theotokos, and Patron Saint or Feast to right of christ, as one faces it from the nave.

There are also other prescriptions noted for various things thoughout the Ordo.
 
Obviously in a mission situation or if using borrowed space from another Church such as a Latin parish, you will not have the luxury of all of those things. The priest should have valid faculties and an antimension from the bishop granting his faculties, the appropriate vessels, vestments and veils, prosphora and red wine, censer and incense. If you have to take everything down after the Liturgy sometimes easels or a portable iconostas is used to bear the liturgical icons. We use a Latin schoolroom and we created a folding iconostasis for our situation.
 
Diak said:
Obviously in a mission situation or if using borrowed space from another Church such as a Latin parish, you will not have the luxury of all of those things. The priest should have valid faculties and an antimension from the bishop granting his faculties, the appropriate vessels, vestments and veils, prosphora and red wine, censer and incense. If you have to take everything down after the Liturgy sometimes easels or a portable iconostas is used to bear the liturgical icons. We use a Latin schoolroom and we created a folding iconostasis for our situation.
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I’d love to see pics of your ikonostas:D
 
I’ve seen photos of one Ruthenian parish in the Eparchy of Van Nuys which has no fixed iconostas; the Icons are on very nice easels, without doors. (Photos were in one of the Eparchial newsletters within the last year.)

The Icons of the Savior and Theotokos are requisite per the Ordo. Even for the office, they are required.

The doors, not so much, but every fixed iconostas I’ve seen does have them, and all but one has had the 4 gospel authors on the royal doors. (The deacon doors are usually St Michael the Archangel and St Steven the Deacon.) (The old Iconostas at St. Nicholas in Anchorage had no icons on the doors, only the four principle icons around them; the new one does.)

The Curtain? I’ve never seen one used in the parishes I’ve been to (Detroit, MI; Houston, Tx; Kisimee, Fl; Anchorage, AK) but the Ordo contains Rubrics for their use.
 
I’d love to see pics of your ikonostas
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I can’t believe I never sent those, especially considering the iconographer for the most beautiful large icons was yourself…:o

I’ll send some pics when my son gets back from Ukraine in a couple of weeks of his icons as well as the iconostas.
 
Diak said:
I can’t believe I never sent those, especially considering the iconographer for the most beautiful large icons was yourself…:o

I’ll send some pics when my son gets back from Ukraine in a couple of weeks of his icons as well as the iconostas.
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Just wanted to see if you were paying attentino:D

Just got back from ikon camp and we did the Wedding at Cana. It’s 24" x 24" with 8 figures. We had a blast because some of us altered it to make it more traditional.

We also did a St. Andre Rublev on a smaller panel. Didn’t get to finish mine. We had a guest speaker, a Polish iconographer who is a MASTER! It really was enlightening…

I’ll have to send you some pics to see…👍

I’m puttting together a trip to Ukraine and Slovakia for next summer. We’re planning on going to the pysanky museum in Kolomyja. I’m so excited about:D
 
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