Physicists Claim Universe is a Hologram

[TEPO]

Imagine this though. If our reality really were a reflection or “hologram” of an actual ‘real’ universe, it would mean humans were predestined to be human and that if there was other life in the universe, who reached the same potential as us, then they would be just as ‘human’ as we are. Also, whatever nature shows us here would be a reflection of nature everywhere. All natural law would still lead to Eternal Law, and all thought would, including the notion of eternal life, would still have derived from that source.

 

[Paddy_Walker]

merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,…

 

[afungusamongus]

They can call it a hologram I’ll call it creation. The question can then be rephrased who or what caused this hologram to come into existence then if that would make them happy.

 

[TEPO]

They can call it a hologram I’ll call it creation. The question can then be rephrased who or what caused this hologram to come into existence then if that would make them happy.

Not only that, but if a hologram is a temporary image of a actual image, what would that say for us regarding eternal life? Maybe it means that our resurrection won’t actually take place on ‘this’ earth but on the real, purified earth… And our bodies -actual pure ones. Just sayin’.

…I know I’ve got too much time on my hands. Literally.

 

[GEddie]

Not only that, but if a hologram is a temporary image of a actual image, what would that say for us regarding eternal life? Maybe it means that our resurrection won’t actually take place on ‘this’ earth but on the real, purified earth… And our bodies -actual pure ones. Just sayin’.

…I know I’ve got too much time on my hands. Literally.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Aloysium]

:twocents:

If the structure of the universe is analogous to that of a hologram in our normal experiential world, it is one more mystery. I am thinking here that this experience we are having is neurological in nature, however that works.

Hologram suggests illusion; something would be real and that causes the experience we live in.
The situation may be the converse of how the idea is being interpreted, that this is reality, simple and obvious, and explanations are the hologram.

Taking this a bit further, thinking about the world of the spirit:
angels can be anywhere;
Christ’s resurrected body can be unrecognized or suddenly appear in a room.
This would not be so much that they are ghosts, less tangible,
but rather that they are more real.
Consider that smoke cannot go through a wall, but we can walk through a fog.

This sounds a bit too mystical. The reality would be that there is a beingness to things with which we have a broken relationship.
That beingness is wondrous, beautiful, true and good, reflecting its Creator. That reality was Eden when we began, it is the world of the Divine all around us.

 

[KyrieEleison17]

Imagine this though. If our reality really were a reflection or “hologram” of an actual ‘real’ universe, it would mean humans were predestined to be human and that if there was other life in the universe, who reached the same potential as us, then they would be just as ‘human’ as we are. Also, whatever nature shows us here would be a reflection of nature everywhere. All natural law would still lead to Eternal Law, and all thought would, including the notion of eternal life, would still have derived from that source.

My concern, however, is this: In a simulation there is no real harm done and a simulation can always be repeated. This is why we use them for practice: they simulate something real without the same absolute and irreversible consequences (think of flight simulators for pilots). However, we are taught that we shall all be judged for what we have done in this life for all of eternity. Now that would be unfair, to say the least, if it were but a simulation, as no “real” harm could have been done to anyone or anything in this life. But we believe that sins against God and neighbour are real, just as charity is real: both have their deserved deserts, be it praise or blame.

A reality once removed is a video game or simulation; it is still not reality and the same rules do not, at the end of the day, actually apply - exactly because it isn’t actually real. Hence my concern about theories that divorce us from this reality in any way is that they ultimately undermine morality. The “rules” and “morals” of life and healthy society are normally difficult, challenging and demand sacrifices from us; and they are hardly justifiable and defensible in a mere simulation, considering their costs, usually pleasure or comfort or indulgence or whatever and hardship instead.

For the atheist, a reality that isn’t actually real with no ultimate or final end or destiny makes the sacrifices necessary for moral living rather more difficult, if not actually impossible, to rationalize. After all, what fault is there in harming a hologram?

 

[GEddie]

My concern, however, is this: In a simulation there is no real harm done and a simulation can always be repeated. This is why we use them for practice: they simulate something real without the same absolute and irreversible consequences (think of flight simulators for pilots). However, we are taught that we shall all be judged for what we have done in this life for all of eternity. Now that would be unfair, to say the least, if it were but a simulation, as no “real” harm could have been done to anyone or anything in this life. But we believe that sins against God and neighbour are real, just as charity is real: both have their deserved deserts, be it praise or blame.

A reality once removed is a video game or simulation; it is still not reality and the same rules do not, at the end of the day, actually apply - exactly because it isn’t actually real. Hence my concern about theories that divorce us from this reality in any way is that they ultimately undermine morality. The “rules” and “morals” of life and healthy society are normally difficult, challenging and demand sacrifices from us; and they are hardly justifiable and defensible in a mere simulation, considering their costs, usually pleasure or comfort or indulgence or whatever and hardship instead.

For the atheist, a reality that isn’t actually real with no ultimate or final end or destiny makes the sacrifices necessary for moral living rather more difficult, if not actually impossible, to rationalize. After all, what fault is there in harming a hologram?

What you said about simulations is true only insofar as the “players” in fact control the simulation. In human life, we don’t.

This is more like a chess game in which the pieces are human and when captured, physically die. The game itself is not reality, but the consequences are.

ICXC NIKA

 

[weller2]

Rather it’s the claim that this world is a deception or a grand illusion and the implications that has for daily life - for moral thinking not the least.

Consider a simpler example:

Is the Coriolis force real?

 

[weller2]

This is more like a chess game in which the pieces are human and when captured, physically die. The game itself is not reality, but the consequences are.

A better analogy would be relationship between a battlefield and map in the HQ. Reports from the field move tokens on the map. Situation on the map dictates how units move on the field. Does the battlefield create the map, or does the map create the battlefield?

 

[Aquinas21]

Or maybe, with a little imagination, the universe is a screen saver for Windows Infinite on God’s computer.
Here is a clickable attachment as an illustration of the universe as a screen saver, more or less.
(Originally it’s an illustration concerning CMB and WMAP.)

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attribution public domain

 

[phil19034]

Lol you can’t make this stuff up:

Physicists discover ‘clearest evidence yet’ that the Universe …

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/physicists…

A team of physicists have provided what has been described by the journal Nature as the “clearest evidence yet” that our universe is a hologram.

I thought about posting this in the news section but its philosophical implications are just too obvious.

Is this just more scepticism masquerading as science? I am reminded here of Philosopher Edward Feser’s interpretation of the enlightenment period as little more than a subtle philosophical revolution. Is this possibly just the enlightenment thinker’s latent scepticism manifesting itself, or are we to take seriously the claim that the universe is a hologram?

I love physics, especially astro-physics and quantum mechanics.

But we have to remember that many of these scientitist are off their rockers. They are good at the math, etc. but have no concept of reality.

The idea that we are holograms or in a computer simulation like Sim City is these guys trying to explain God with out giving up their Atheist views.

Every time I hear some stupid idea like this, I see it as proof of God.

 

[inocente]

I love physics, especially astro-physics and quantum mechanics.

But we have to remember that many of these scientitist are off their rockers. They are good at the math, etc. but have no concept of reality.

The idea that we are holograms or in a computer simulation like Sim City is these guys trying to explain God with out giving up their Atheist views.

Every time I hear some stupid idea like this, I see it as proof of God.

What we have to remember is that you probably don’t know the faith of the four scientists. Would you please cite your evidence for your claim that they are all atheists?

What do you think they are claiming in their research papers that is “stupid”? Here are the papers:

arxiv.org/pdf/1311.7526v1.pdf
arxiv.org/pdf/1311.5607v1.pdf

Also, do you think Christ likes it when you mock others? Where in the CCC does it say it’s a great idea for you to stereotype an entire group of men and women of many different faiths from all around the world and say they are “off their rockers”?

 

[Miriam1947]

I can remember when I was about 8 years old just sitting on a curb in Brooklyn, NY and wondering if this was reality or just a dream.

What is reality? Do we really know?

 

[GEddie]

I can remember when I was about 8 years old just sitting on a curb in Brooklyn, NY and wondering if this was reality or just a dream.

What is reality? Do we really know?

Does it really matter?

We are responsible only within the world we know (via our minds and bodies, which are all we have to live life with).

Philosophical gaming can be fun, but ultimately leads nowhere.

ICXC NIKA

 

[mikekle]

Not only that, but if a hologram is a temporary image of a actual image, what would that say for us regarding eternal life? Maybe it means that our resurrection won’t actually take place on ‘this’ earth but on the real, purified earth… And our bodies -actual pure ones. Just sayin’.

…I know I’ve got too much time on my hands. Literally.

I think the theory suggests that OUR world, as we know it…is the hologram, it only appears to be real to us, since this is all we know, and the dimension/plane we enter upon our death is actually the REAL world.

 

[mikekle]

Does it really matter?

We are responsible only within the world we know (via our minds and bodies, which are all we have to live life with).

Philosophical gaming can be fun, but ultimately leads nowhere.

ICXC NIKA

But it begs the question…with all the technology we have, and gaining more each year, eventually it could be possible they will discover how to open a ‘door’ to the other reality, and then what happens when we discover some of the secrets we are not meant to know as human beings? I know they are experimenting and trying to find access and prove these other dimensions exist, so at some point, its pretty likely they will find the way.

What would happen if we found some facts that did not mesh with what weve thought to be true?

 

[GEddie]

But it begs the question…with all the technology we have, and gaining more each year, eventually it could be possible they will discover how to open a ‘door’ to the other reality, and then what happens when we discover some of the secrets we are not meant to know as human beings? I know they are experimenting and trying to find access and prove these other dimensions exist, so at some point, its pretty likely they will find the way.

What would happen if we found some facts that did not mesh with what weve thought to be true?

I don’t know anything about “not meant to know.”

I am not a philosopher and do not play one on television.

I’ll worry about those possibilities when they eventuate.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Roscoe_Turner]

But it begs the question…with all the technology we have, and gaining more each year, eventually it could be possible they will discover how to open a ‘door’ to the other reality, and then what happens when we discover some of the secrets we are not meant to know as human beings? I know they are experimenting and trying to find access and prove these other dimensions exist, so at some point, its pretty likely they will find the way.

What would happen if we found some facts that did not mesh with what weve thought to be true?

You already live in that world you just don’t perceive it. Just as there are light waves you can’t see.

Learning is what happens when we gain knowledge that we didn’t have before. It’s a good thing.

 

[TEPO]

I think the theory suggests that OUR world, as we know it…is the hologram, it only appears to be real to us, since this is all we know, and the dimension/plane we enter upon our death is actually the REAL world.

Right. What you’re saying is what I meant to describe. If this were the case, our eternal home would be even more of a ‘physical’ world than this one is -with much more area and would include most natural things we have here like waterfalls, mountains, deserts, etc. I’d imagine that the senses we’d have there would include sight, smell, sound, and other senses just like we have here, but would include other hidden senses that we’re currently unaware of in this ‘holographic’ world that we’re experiencing now.