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“Time dilates near mass and contracts away from it”

What does it mean for time to dilate? Near mass means it slows because of gravity. Hmm, that actually makes sense…

However, what it something was traveling at the speed of light AWAY from mass. Time would be faster because it is away from gravity, but slower because of the velocity. Does it even out?
 
“Time dilates near mass and contracts away from it”

What does it mean for time to dilate? Near mass means it slows because of gravity. Hmm, that actually makes sense…

However, what it something was traveling at the speed of light AWAY from mass. Time would be faster because it is away from gravity, but slower because of the velocity. Does it even out?
*Time dilation is the *slowing down of clocks. Take two identically constructed clocks and put one deep down into gravity well and the other higher up in it. The lower clock runs slower than the higher clock.

You get a gravitational redshift (reduced frequency) with electromagnetic radiation moving away from the gravitational field. With light it moves towards the red.
 
“Let’s look at the following classic example. There is a set of twins, one an astronaut; the other works for mission control of NASA. The astronaut leaves on a deep space trip traveling at 95% the speed of light. Upon returning, the astronaut’s clock has measured ten years, so the astronaut has aged 10 years. However, when the astronaut reunites with his earth bound twin, the astronaut sees that the twin has aged 32 years! This is explained due to the fact that the twin is traveling at relativistic speeds and therefore his “clock” is slowed down.”

phy.olemiss.edu/HEP/QuarkNet/time.html

In the example, the time dilation is caused by the speed of the traveler at 95%c. It has nothing to do with getting away from gravity.
 
It is getting away from the slowing of time by the gravity, so the slowing of the time by the speed of light must be exponential to make up for this
 
It is getting away from the slowing of time by the gravity, so the slowing of the time by the speed of light must be exponential to make up for this
For special relativity (speed of light):

Lorentz factor gamma = 1/(SQRT(1-(v^2/c^2)))

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For general relativity (gravity):

 
What does it mean for time to dilate?
That physical processes within the area in which dilation is occuring would appear to be slower to observers that are outside of the dilated area (or in an area with lower dilation).
However, what it something was traveling at the speed of light AWAY from mass.
Note that mass can’t travel at the speed of light. Electromagnetic radiation (light, radio, gamma rays,…) can.
Time would be faster because it is away from gravity, but slower because of the velocity. Does it even out?
A fast moving object going through a heavy gravitational field would experience dilation due to both gravity and velocity to an observer outside the field. As the object moves from stronger to weaker areas of the field it’s not that time is going faster, it is not being slowed as much.
 
How can the light be not slowed as much but not go faster?

Isn’t the premise of time travel movies like Interstellar that people (mass) can move at the speed of light?
 
How can the light be not slowed as much but not go faster?
If you are asking why the speed of light is the same from all reference frames I couldn’t tell you. Someone over at the Physic’s Forums gave an answer to the same question ( referenced below).
Isn’t the premise of time travel movies like Interstellar that people (mass) can move at the speed of light?
From what I recall people were not moving faster than light within the movie. Instead they took a shortcut through a wormhole. The movie did involve a lot of time dilation based scenarios.
bcrowell:
physicsforums.com/threads/why-is-the-speed-of-light-same-in-all-reference-frames.445032/
The first thing to worry about here is that when you ask someone for a satisfying answer to a “why” question, you have to define what you think would be satisfying. If you ask Euclid why the Pythagorean theorem is true, he’ll show you a proof based on his five postulates. But it’s also possible to form a logically equivalent system by replacing his parallel postulate with one that asserts the Pythagorean theorem to be true; in this case, we would say that the reason the “parallel theorem” is true is that we can prove it based on the “Pythagorean postulate.” Einstein’s original 1905 postulates for special relativity went like this:

P1 - “The laws by which the states of physical systems undergo change are not affected, whether these changes of state be referred to the one or the other of two systems of co-ordinates in uniform translatory motion.”

P2 - “Any ray of light moves in the ‘stationary’ system of co-ordinates with the determined velocity c, whether the ray be emitted by a stationary or by a moving body.”

From the modern point of view, it was a mistake for Einstein to single out light for special treatment, and we imagine that the mistake was made because in 1905 the electromagnetic field was the only known fundamental field. Really, relativity is about space and time, not light. We could therefore replace P2 with:

P2* - “There exists a velocity c such that when something has that velocity, all observers agree on it.”

And finally, there are completely different systems of axioms that are logically equivalent to Einstein’s, and that do not take the frame-independence of c as a postulate (Rindler 1979).

For someone who likes axioms P1+P2, the frame-independence of the speed of light is a postulate, so it can’t be proved. The reason we pick it as a postulate is that it appears to be true based on observations such as the Michelson-Morley experiment.

If we prefer P1+P2* instead, then we actually don’t know whether the speed of light is frame-independent. What we do know is that the empirical upper bound on the mass of the photon is extremely small (Lakes 1998), and we can prove that massless particles must move at the universal velocity c.

In a system such as Rindler’s, the existence of a universal velocity c is proved rather than assumed, and the behavior of photons is related empirically to c in the same way as for P1+P2*. We then have a satisfying answer to the “why” question, which is that existence of a universal speed c is a property of spacetime that must exist because spacetime has certain other properties (basically, it has some symmetries, and it doesn’t have universal simultaneity).

Rindler, Essential Relativity: Special, General, and Cosmological, 1979, p. 51

R.S. Lakes, “Experimental limits on the photon mass and cosmic magnetic vector potential”, Physical Review Letters 80 (1998) 1826, silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/mu.html

Reference physicsforums.com/threads/why-is-the-speed-of-light-same-in-all-reference-frames.445032/
 
How can the light be not slowed as much but not go faster?

Isn’t the premise of time travel movies like Interstellar that people (mass) can move at the speed of light?
When time dilation occurs, rod contraction occurs also.
Speed is distance / time, so shortened distance / lengthened time = a constant.
 
I really want to understand this. If one planet is moving much faster than another, it won’t necessarily have slower time, because it may have less effects from gravity. Is this correct?

I heard a speaker say something once about find a “methodology to study black holes”. What precisely does that mean:blush:
 
I really want to understand this. If one planet is moving much faster than another, it won’t necessarily have slower time, because it may have less effects from gravity. Is this correct?

I heard a speaker say something once about find a “methodology to study black holes”. What precisely does that mean:blush:
Special relativity and general relativity effects are considered to give accurate positioning to GPS satellites.

The effect from the relative velocity and the effect from the gravitational mass do combine, but the specific case must be considered for a cancellation effect. You can see an example of the formulas here:

physics.stackexchange.com/questions/62222/cancelling-special-general-relativistic-effects

There are many things to study about black holes so it is not possible to know which “methodology to study black holes” is referred to.
 
I’m wondering what it means to come up with a methodology in the first place
 
I’m wondering what it means to come up with a methodology in the first place
Techniques.

Well, as an example for black holes, there are some ways to detect them that are used or planned to use:
  • Accretion disks and jets form emission of x-rays as matter is sucked into the black hole.
  • Gravitational wave detectors, detecting ripples in time (e.g., LIGO and the future LISA)
  • Stars appearing to orbit empty space (a black hole in the center).
  • Lense effect of space-time bending.
 
“Among the different idealistic trends in comtemporary physics the so-called Copenhagen school is the most reactionary. The present article is devoted to the unmasking of the idealistic and agnostic speculations of this school on the basic problems of quantum physics”

Physicists Blochinzev as quoted in chapter 8 of *Physics and Philosophy: The Revolution in Modern Science *by Werner Heisenberg
 
“The search for a closed logical scheme that provides a complete and self-consistence explanation for every is doomed to failure” Physicist Paul Davies

“After almost 4,000 years of astronomy, the universe is no less strange than it must have seemed to the Babylonians.” Encyclopedia Britannica

“We will never get to the bottom of things” Physicist and Nobel laureate Steven Wienberg

“There may be things that humans will never understand.” Professor Martin Rees, Astronomer Royal of great Britain
 
Isn’t it much better that there are infinite things to learn? It would only be a sad thing if ypu thought you could know everything and then you’d be like God. Are we still being fooled by the words of the serpent in the Garden of Eden?
 
Isn’t it much better that there are infinite things to learn? It would only be a sad thing if ypu thought you could know everything and then you’d be like God. Are we still being fooled by the words of the serpent in the Garden of Eden?
It seems so. Interestingly though, discoveries can be disappointing because they mean a new topic should be explored. For example, Don Lincoln, a senior scientist at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Fermilab wrote in 2015:“While the discovery of the Higgs boson in 2012 was indeed an enormous success for the scientific community, the triumph came with a disappointment. Explaining this is simple: Essentially, the Higgs boson was like a final piece that completed the Standard Model puzzle. However, as any puzzle enthusiast will tell you, it is the tabs and blanks of pieces that allow one to build a puzzle. The hanging tab gives you a hint as to what the next piece will be. But a completed puzzle is silent on what to do next.”
livescience.com/51197-after-higgs-ramped-up-collider-hunts-for-next-puzzle.html
 
Just like the Bohr Niels Atomic Theory was at one time considered complete.
 
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