Pick a verse, ANY verse... and we'll discover its Author's TRUE Intent

[grndslm]

This should be fun.

I am only using two books:

++ONE++ Good News Translation of the Holy Bible (includes Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha)

• Reasoning is that this is one of the only translations that uses “Dynamic equivalence” when translating from source to target languages. Instead of translating word-by-word (and thru Latin, even), which would be formal equivalence… dynamic equivalence is more akin to a “substantial” translation. Just like the duty of the Law is substantial justice (not to throw you in jail because you didn’t cross your ‘t’ or dot your ‘i’, and, likewise, not to let one go free because a criminal did cross his 't’s and dotted his 'i’s)… the duty of The Word & Spirit of Christ Jesus is substantial understanding by Christians, of that SOURCE message. To the best of my knowledge, this is the only Bible that sacrifices a word-by-word translation for a better understanding of the original message of Christ. This translation was also compiled by the American Bible Society, whose Wikipedia page has quite a few interesting tidbits about it…

"The stated mission of the ABS is to make the Bible available to every person in a language and format each can understand and afford, so all people may experience its life-changing message.

ABS is headquartered in New York City. Its headquarters building at 1865 Broadway houses an extensive museum of religious art and a 45,000 volume collection of Scriptures, making it the largest Bible museum in the western hemisphere and second largest in the world behind the Vatican.

…

The American Bible Society provided the first Bibles in hotels and the first pocket Bibles for soldiers (during the American Civil War). The first translation by the Bible Society was in 1818 into a Native American language."

++TWO++ The Word: The Bible from 26 Translations

• Reasoning is that this book is a miracle in and of itself. You can see the “possible options” that dozens and dozens of translators see when they look at The Good Book in more original languages, altho, since this book is based off the KJV, no Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha are included. Two of my favorite translations used are “The New Testament in the Translation of Monsignor Ronald Knox” && “The New Testament According to the Eastern Texts” by George M. Lamsa. I’ve seen many people on CAF say that Koine Greek is the only language that the NT can be found in, but Lamsa apparently is looking at some Aramaic texts that you guys weren’t aware of. For example, Mark 10:25 – “It is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” – would cause anyone to think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. I heard this verse when I was a child, and as much as it made no sense to me, I still believed that I should never want money. Lamsa’s translation of this verse is: “It is easier for a rope to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” That makes much more sense to me!! It also helps me to understand why the monsignor at our mass seemed just as confused as I was about why a camel would be passing thru the eye of a needle. What was it you guys were saying about the infallibility of the Latin texts provided by Mother Church??

If one wants to easily understand the original intent of the authors of the Good Book, then I think the Good News Translation + Lamsa’s Translation is about as good as it gets.

Soo… would anybody like to come to a better understanding of a specific verse, or section of verses??

 

[melchesidechpio]

This should be fun.

I am only using two books:

++ONE++ Good News Translation of the Holy Bible (includes Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha)

• Reasoning is that this is one of the only translations that uses “Dynamic equivalence” when translating from source to target languages. Instead of translating word-by-word (and thru Latin, even), which would be formal equivalence… dynamic equivalence is more akin to a “substantial” translation. Just like the duty of the Law is substantial justice (not to throw you in jail because you didn’t cross your ‘t’ or dot your ‘i’, and, likewise, not to let one go free because a criminal did cross his 't’s and dotted his 'i’s)… the duty of The Word & Spirit of Christ Jesus is substantial understanding by Christians, of that SOURCE message. To the best of my knowledge, this is the only Bible that sacrifices a word-by-word translation for a better understanding of the original message of Christ. This translation was also compiled by the American Bible Society, whose Wikipedia page has quite a few interesting tidbits about it…

"The stated mission of the ABS is to make the Bible available to every person in a language and format each can understand and afford, so all people may experience its life-changing message.

ABS is headquartered in New York City. Its headquarters building at 1865 Broadway houses an extensive museum of religious art and a 45,000 volume collection of Scriptures, making it the largest Bible museum in the western hemisphere and second largest in the world behind the Vatican.

…

The American Bible Society provided the first Bibles in hotels and the first pocket Bibles for soldiers (during the American Civil War). The first translation by the Bible Society was in 1818 into a Native American language."

++TWO++ The Word: The Bible from 26 Translations

• Reasoning is that this book is a miracle in and of itself. You can see the “possible options” that dozens and dozens of translators see when they look at The Good Book in more original languages, altho, since this book is based off the KJV, no Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha are included. Two of my favorite translations used are “The New Testament in the Translation of Monsignor Ronald Knox” && “The New Testament According to the Eastern Texts” by George M. Lamsa. I’ve seen many people on CAF say that Koine Greek is the only language that the NT can be found in, but Lamsa apparently is looking at some Aramaic texts that you guys weren’t aware of. For example, Mark 10:25 – “It is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” – would cause anyone to think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. I heard this verse when I was a child, and as much as it made no sense to me, I still believed that I should never want money. Lamsa’s translation of this verse is: “It is easier for a rope to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” That makes much more sense to me!! It also helps me to understand why the monsignor at our mass seemed just as confused as I was about why a camel would be passing thru the eye of a needle. What was it you guys were saying about the infallibility of the Latin texts provided by Mother Church??

If one wants to easily understand the original intent of the authors of the Good Book, then I think the Good News Translation + Lamsa’s Translation is about as good as it gets.

Soo… would anybody like to come to a better understanding of a specific verse, or section of verses??

honestly I can get a better understanding using the Haydock Bible Commentary. Not entirely sure you intent is just???

 

[Not_Sure_1]

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18

This verse, said by Jesus, states that the exact words matter. Even the most insignificant letter matters. Therefore, word-by-word translations are at least better.

 

[grndslm]

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18

This verse, said by Jesus, states that the exact words matter. Even the most insignificant letter matters. Therefore, word-by-word translations are at least better.

I don’t quite follow your conclusion, but here’s what the Good News Translation states for that sub-section, where that verse is found…

Teaching about the Law

Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. ***Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with – not until the end of all things. **** So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven. I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.

• = the end of all things; or all its teachings come true.

So, Not Sure, I’m failing to see what Jesus’ message had to do with translating the original manuscripts into Latin and then into other languages. If anything, his words are very relevant to what I’m trying to accomplish here… becoming “more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees” (while the majority here would state something along the lines of this – “The most accurate Bible is the one that you prayerfully interpret in the light of Tradition and Magisterium.”) and discovering the authors’ true intents behind their works. And doing so would mean not looking at any Latin translations whatsoever, but I can show you the numerous variations that have spawned from the KJV translation…

For verily I say unto you,
In solemn truth… – Mon
Believe me – Knox
Indeed, I assure you – Phi
And I tell you for a fact – Nor
With all the earnestness I have I say – Tay

Till heaven and earth pass,
… pass away – ASV
… disappear – TCNT
As long as heaven and earth endure – Gspd

one jot or one tittle
not even the smallest letter, nor one stroke of a letter – TCNT
not one dotting of an i or crossing of a t – Gspd
not an iota, not a dot – RSV
not an i or the dot of an i – Beck

shall in no wise pass from the law,
… pass away from the law – Rhm
will be dropped from the Law – Gspd

till all be fulfilled.
until all has taken place – Wey
until it is all in force – Mof
… accomplished – Knox
until its purpose is complete – Phi
until all that must happen has happened – NEB

Are you sure that Matthew 5:18 means what you think it means, Not Sure??

 

[grndslm]

honestly I can get a better understanding using the Haydock Bible Commentary. Not entirely sure you intent is just???

The authors of the Bible wrote COMMENTARY?!? That’s a new one to me.
Wikipedia:

That Bible was called the Douay Version (Douay-Rheims Bible), originally translated from the Latin Vulgate in the 16th century chiefly by Gregory Martin, one of the first professors at the English College, Douai (University of Douai).

So, you honestly believe that the authors of the Good Book wrote in Latin?!?!

 

[melchesidechpio]

The authors of the Bible wrote COMMENTARY?!? That’s a new one to me.

So, you honestly believe that the authors of the Good Book wrote in Latin?!?!

you missed the point totally. Never did I say that the those who wrote the manuscripts wrote in Latin or that they wrote the commentary. God is the author the Bible.

haydock1859.tripod.com
[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]

 

[melchesidechpio]

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18

This verse, said by Jesus, states that the exact words matter. Even the most insignificant letter matters. Therefore, word-by-word translations are at least better.

Ver. 18. Amen. That is, assuredly, of a truth. This Hebrew word Amen, is here retained by the example and authority of all the four evangelists, who have retained it. It is used by our Lord as a strong asseveration, and affirmation of the truth. (Challoner) — Not one jot (or not one jota), nor one tittle, i.e. not the least letter, nor stroke of a letter; that is, not the least moral precept. Besides every type and figure of the former law, now by my coming shall be fulfilled. (Witham) — Amen, is retained in the Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, and Armenian languages, as well as in all vulgar idioms. It is a term of asseveration, and equivalent to an oath; and in many places, to make the asseveration still stronger, it is repeated. St. Luke very accurately translates it into nai. St. Paul and St. John unite them nai and amen. (Haydock)

This from the Haydock Bible Commentary reaffirms your statement

 

[grndslm]

Guys…

Forgetting the commentary for just a minute, let’s think about this shall we…

How is it possible to translate the Bible without “dropping the dotting of an ‘i’ or crossing of a ‘t’ from the Law”???

Answer me that, Batman!

If Jesus’ message was true, then there wouldn’t be any i’s or t’s at all. There would only be pictures!! Or no translations!! Which is it??

What you’re failing to understand IS the message of Christ. Just because he said “Amen” at the beginning of Matthew 5:18 doesn’t mean that anybody who speaks English today would understand the intent of that word. The intent of that word is to, as you more or less said, to reaffirm the preceding verse from a different angle. Which is why the GNT verse begins with, “Remember that…”

How much difference does it honestly make to start Christ’s message with these other options, instead of “Amen”…

For verily…
In solemn truth… – Mon
Believe me – Knox
Indeed… – Phi
And I tell you for a fact – Nor
With all the earnestness I have I say – Tay

Already, it seems you have forgotten why the Amen was said in the first place. This is my beef with these formal equivalence translations. The meanings of these independently considered words don’t hold any water when it comes to discovering the meanings of words in context. It is IMPOSSIBLE to understand the meaning of a word outside of its context, which has [up until discovering the GNT] kept me from delving too much into the Bible. I say that the phrase “Remember that…” does an exceptional job at getting the point of the “Amen” across, within context.

What is more important than the Amen is what follows it, and this, again, is why I prefer the GNT version… “Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with – not until the end of all things.” This version gets the point across that the Law is the Law, Jesus lives within the Law, and He has also come to fulfill the Law. IT DOES NOT SPEAK OF TRANSLATING THE LAW!!! I’m not sure where y’all are getting that from.

What is interesting to note is that the GNT/GNB/TEV was actually the first book that included pictures. The version I have now, copyrighted in 1993, has no images, except a timeline and some maps in the back, but it looks like I’ll have to find an older version with the drawings…

 

[grndslm]

I found some comments to an article on the GNT that I figured I should share…

homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/thislamp/files/20061115_good_news_translation.html

Suzanne McCarthy
Thanks for this, Rick, it made my day. I only have a sentimental attachment to two English Bibles, the KJV and the Good News. I acquired the New Testament in English, French and German about the same time. I later bought a GN Bible to replace my English Good News NT. However, I still have my very tattered Bonnes Nouvelles, and not so tattered Gute Nachricht.

When I saw Annie Vallotton speak and draw, she held a dozen coloured felt overhead pens in her left hand and chose freely among them to illustrate her story-telling in colour on the projector. It was vividly colourful - I can still see her Palm Sunday drawing in my head, but it is quite different from the one in the GNB now. As she drew she would talk about each figure with great expression in the lively soft drawl of Swiss French.

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Suzanne McCarthy
Clay,

I am working closely with a woman this year who was brought up Catholic, her sister is now a member of fundamentalist church, and she has been evangelized strongly by some JW’s. She has repeatedly told me of her accomplishment in reading the Good News Bible cover to cover in order to respond to the various pressures in her life.

While she now has no institutional affiliation with Xianity, she often mentions the GNT as a very significant part of her faith journey and explains its role allowing her to make her own spiritual decisions and understand the Bible on its own terms, without the need to have a priest explain it to her. It was obviously a powerful experience for her.

It would be a travesty if that Bible translation did not exist. When I was a teenager, I worked in the summer with a tent meeting ministry in a very rural hinterland area, and I remember trying to help children memorize their scripture verses, which were from the KJV. They were quite anxious to do so, since there must have been prizes for this, but it was obvious to me that some of them might just as well be memorizing a foreign language and couldn’t possibly commit these verses to memory.

The question in my mind is who is the gospel really for.

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Suzanne McCarthy
Thanks Clay,

I understand what you mean now. As a non-preacher, I never ‘take a text’ at all so I don’'t think of it from that perspective. In fact, I haven’t even attended a Bible study for years. I remember one of the last times I did. We were discussing Romans 7 and the sinful nature. I must have said something indicating that I didn’t know that the text said sinful nature, but just our physical nature, σαρξ.

I didn’t think to find out that the official bible for that congregation was the NIV. The leader of the bible study just went up one side of me and down the other for not using the NIV and thus falling into sin. Then she asked me what version I was using. I mumbled something about always preparing for a bible study by reading in the Greek NT. She was not amused. I never went back. I really was not displaying the appropriate submssion to the elders.

Another of the commenters (not Suzanne) led me to a blog about English Bible Translations… betterbibles.com/

I’ll have to read that when I get some time.

biblegateway.com/versions/Good-News-Translation-GNT-Bible/

Version Information

The Good News Translation, formerly called the Good News Bible or Today’s English Version, was first published as a full Bible in 1976 by the American Bible Society as a “common language” Bible. It is a clear and simple modern translation that is faithful to the original Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic texts. The GNT is a highly trusted version.

Isn’t this the text that we (those who speak & understand English) are all searching for??

 

[Catholic1954]

This should be fun.

I am only using two books:

++ONE++ Good News Translation of the Holy Bible (includes Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha)

• Reasoning is that this is one of the only translations that uses “Dynamic equivalence” when translating from source to target languages. Instead of translating word-by-word (and thru Latin, even), which would be formal equivalence… dynamic equivalence is more akin to a “substantial” translation. Just like the duty of the Law is substantial justice (not to throw you in jail because you didn’t cross your ‘t’ or dot your ‘i’, and, likewise, not to let one go free because a criminal did cross his 't’s and dotted his 'i’s)… the duty of The Word & Spirit of Christ Jesus is substantial understanding by Christians, of that SOURCE message. To the best of my knowledge, this is the only Bible that sacrifices a word-by-word translation for a better understanding of the original message of Christ. This translation was also compiled by the American Bible Society, whose Wikipedia page has quite a few interesting tidbits about it…

"The stated mission of the ABS is to make the Bible available to every person in a language and format each can understand and afford, so all people may experience its life-changing message.

ABS is headquartered in New York City. Its headquarters building at 1865 Broadway houses an extensive museum of religious art and a 45,000 volume collection of Scriptures, making it the largest Bible museum in the western hemisphere and second largest in the world behind the Vatican.

…

The American Bible Society provided the first Bibles in hotels and the first pocket Bibles for soldiers (during the American Civil War). The first translation by the Bible Society was in 1818 into a Native American language."

++TWO++ The Word: The Bible from 26 Translations

• Reasoning is that this book is a miracle in and of itself. You can see the “possible options” that dozens and dozens of translators see when they look at The Good Book in more original languages, altho, since this book is based off the KJV, no Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha are included. Two of my favorite translations used are “The New Testament in the Translation of Monsignor Ronald Knox” && “The New Testament According to the Eastern Texts” by George M. Lamsa. I’ve seen many people on CAF say that Koine Greek is the only language that the NT can be found in, but Lamsa apparently is looking at some Aramaic texts that you guys weren’t aware of. For example, Mark 10:25 – “It is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” – would cause anyone to think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. I heard this verse when I was a child, and as much as it made no sense to me, I still believed that I should never want money. Lamsa’s translation of this verse is: “It is easier for a rope to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” That makes much more sense to me!! It also helps me to understand why the monsignor at our mass seemed just as confused as I was about why a camel would be passing thru the eye of a needle. What was it you guys were saying about the infallibility of the Latin texts provided by Mother Church??

If one wants to easily understand the original intent of the authors of the Good Book, then I think the Good News Translation + Lamsa’s Translation is about as good as it gets.

Soo… would anybody like to come to a better understanding of a specific verse, or section of verses??

Thank you for the invitation, however I will continue to rely on the one, true Church, started by Jesus Christ himself to interpret the bible for me, not an Active Christian Anachist, even if you do have Catholic sympathies.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

How about John 6:54-59?

 

[grndslm]

How about John 6:54-59?

Here’s the end of Chapter 6, because I’m all about some context…
GNT; John 6:

Jesus the Bread of Life

25 When the people found Jesus on the other side of the lake, they said to him,
Teacher, when did you get here?
26 Jesus answered,
I am telling you the truth: you are looking for me because you ate the bread and had all you wanted, not because you understood my miracles.27 (F)Do not work for food that spoils; instead, work for the food that lasts for eternal life. This is the food which the Son of Man will give you, because God, the Father, has put his mark of approval on him.
28 So they asked him,
What can we do in order to do what God wants us to do?
29 Jesus answered,
What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.
30 They replied,
What miracle will you perform so that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?31 (G)Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, just as the scripture says,
He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 I am telling you the truth, Jesus said.
What Moses gave you was not[c] the bread from heaven; it is my Father who gives you the real bread from heaven.33 For the bread that God gives is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.
34 Sir, they asked him,
give us this bread always.
35 I am the bread of life, Jesus told them.
Those who come to me will never be hungry; those who believe in me will never be thirsty.36 Now, I told you that you have seen me but will not believe.37 Everyone whom my Father gives me will come to me. I will never turn away anyone who comes to me,38 because I have come down from heaven to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me.39 And it is the will of him who sent me that I should not lose any of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them all to life on the last day.40 For what my Father wants is that all who see the Son and believe in him should have eternal life. And I will raise them to life on the last day.
41 The people started grumbling about him, because he said,
I am the bread that came down from heaven.42 So they said,
This man is Jesus son of Joseph, isn’t he? We know his father and mother. How, then, does he now say he came down from heaven?
43 Jesus answered,
Stop grumbling among yourselves.44 People cannot come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me; and I will raise them to life on the last day.45 (H)The prophets wrote,
Everyone will be taught by God. Anyone who hears the Father and learns from him comes to me.46 This does not mean that anyone has seen the Father; he who is from God is the only one who has seen the Father.47 I am telling you the truth: he who believes has eternal life.48 I am the bread of life.49 Your ancestors ate manna in the desert, but they died.50 But the bread that comes down from heaven is of such a kind that whoever eats it will not die.51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If you eat this bread, you will live forever. The bread that I will give you is my flesh, which I give so that the world may live.
52 This started an angry argument among them.
How can this man give us his flesh to eat? they asked.
53 Jesus said to them,
I am telling you the truth: if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you will not have life in yourselves.54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them to life on the last day.55 For my flesh is the real food; my blood is the real drink.56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.57 The living Father sent me, and because of him I live also. In the same way whoever eats me will live because of me.58 This, then, is the bread that came down from heaven; it is not like the bread that your ancestors ate, but then later died. Those who eat this bread will live forever.
59 Jesus said this as he taught in the synagogue in Capernaum.

The Words of Eternal Life

60 Many of his followers heard this and said,
This teaching is too hard. Who can listen to it?
61 Without being told, Jesus knew that they were grumbling about this, so he said to them,
Does this make you want to give up?62 Suppose, then, that you should see the Son of Man go back up to the place where he was before?63 (I)What gives life is God’s Spirit; human power is of no use at all. The words I have spoken to you bring God’s life-giving Spirit.64 Yet some of you do not believe.
(Jesus knew from the very beginning who were the ones that would not believe and which one would betray him.)65 And he added,
This is the very reason I told you that no people can come to me unless the Father makes it possible for them to do so.
66 Because of this, many of Jesus’ followers turned back and would not go with him any more.67 So he asked the twelve disciples,
And you would you also like to leave?
68 (J)Simon Peter answered him,
Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words that give eternal life.69 And now we believe and know that you are the Holy One who has come from God.
70 Jesus replied,
I chose the twelve of you, didn’t I? Yet one of you is a devil!71 He was talking about Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. For Judas, even though he was one of the twelve disciples, was going to betray him.

(c) = What Moses gave you was not; -or- It was not Moses who gave you.

(F) = John 6:27 : Sir24:19-Sir24:22;.&version=GNT"> John 6:27; Sir 24:19-Sir 24:22; .
(G) = John 6:31 : Wis16:20;,Wis16:21;.&version=GNT"> John 6:31; Exod 16:4; , Exod 16:15; ; Ps 78:24; Wis 16:20; , Wis 16:21; .
(H) = John 6:45 : John 6:45; Isa 54:13; .
(I) = John 6:63 : Wis9:13-Wis9:18;.&version=GNT"> John 6:63; Wis 9:13-Wis 9:18; .
(J) John 6:68 : John 6:68; Matt 16:16; ; Mark 8:29; ; Luke 9:20; .

 

[grndslm]

How about John 6:54-59?

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood,
Whoever continues to eat my flesh and drink my blood – Wms
He who takes my flesh for his food, and drinks my blood – TCNT
He who feeds of my flesh and drinks my blood – Mof

hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hath life age-abiding… - Rhm

For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink – Rhm
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink – Wms

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
… abides in me, and I in him – ABUV
… dwells continually in me and I dwell in him – NEB
… remains united to me and I remain united to him – Gspd

As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father:
… and I live by reason of the Father – Alf
… and I have life because of the Father – Bas
… and I live thru Him – Rieu

so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me – ASV
so he who takes me for his food… – TCNT
… will have life because of me – Bas
so also shall the one who feeds on Me live thru Me – Nor

This is that bread which came down from heaven:
Such is the bread which has come down from heaven – Beck

**not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead; ***
not such as your ancestors ate, and yet died – TCNT
Your fathers ate a different kind, and died – Rieu
it is unlike that which your forefathers ate – for they ate and yet died – Wey

he that eateth of this bread
He that feedeth upon this bread – Rhm
Whoever continues to eat this bread – Wms

shall live for ever.
will have life for ever – Bas
will live eternally – Knox

• = The word “manna” is now recognized as not adequately supported by original manuscripts.

 

[grndslm]

Thank you for the invitation, however I will continue to rely on the one, true Church, started by Jesus Christ himself to interpret the bible for me, not an Active Christian Anachist, even if you do have Catholic sympathies.

Thanks for the refusal.

BTW, was that a personal jab at me?

And since you started it, what’s your reasoning for believing that the Roman Catholic Church is the “one, true Church”? Were you not aware that all of the apostles received keys to the kingdom of heaven? Were the Nazarenes, Ebionites, Jerusalem Jewish-Christians, Nazoraeans, Essenes, Elcesaites, etc. ALL illegitimate?? What is the purpose of the KEYS to the kingdom of heaven??

And lastly, do you believe that having faith in the Church to provide your faith, instead of faith in the Spirit and Word of Christ Jesus… is actually what Jesus warned about??

“I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.” – Mt. 5:20

How in the world are you supposed to know what God requires if the Church is leading you astray, by doubling the chance of translation errors? … AND by focusing on Old/Middle English instead of modern English?? Old/Middle English is just about as dead as Latin, if you ask me; even tho I can decipher drinketh, eateth, dwelleth, etc., it just takes me a longer time so that I forget the words prior to these words that literally retard me, and, obviously do not get the entire message across in multiple tries, much less ONE try.

I’m not expecting a response to this, but when push comes to shove…

It’s amazing how people act like I’m the Devil because I don’t think the papacy has anything to do with the Spirit and Word of Christ Jesus. I have yet to see anybody prove that the RCC is anymore the “one, holy, catholic, & apostolic” church than all of Christianity, those who receive the bread of God, if you will.

But to anybody else who would like to pick a verse for =US= to analyze, that was the intent of this thread. And be my guest to include your own translations/commentaries, as well. That ALSO is the intent of this thread.

If you, I, or we can find the BETTER translation/commentary based on the Good Book… then why would you wait on the Scribes & Pharisees, who Christ Jesus warned you about SEVERAL times?? At least explain to me the answer to this question?? Oh, because these are not pharisees, but leaders of the one, true Church?? Srsly?

 

[grndslm]

How about this one… if the Cerinthians/Corinthians weren’t part of the one, true Church… why was Paul writing them letters?

Have you attempted to inform me of the legitimacy of Paul’s church, or did you mock the fact that I called myself a Corinthian?

 

[grndslm]

Here’s one of the best examples I’ve found as to why the GNT is better than any Latin texts…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7378379&postcount=117

Sorry for letting the Off-Topic bit spill over to that thread, too, but I guess it was just a timing thing??

 

[melchesidechpio]

Thank you for the invitation, however I will continue to rely on the one, true Church, started by Jesus Christ himself to interpret the bible for me, not an Active Christian Anachist, even if you do have Catholic sympathies.

quite agreed.

 

[melchesidechpio]

Here’s one of the best examples I’ve found as to why the GNT is better than any Latin texts…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7378379&postcount=117

Sorry for letting the Off-Topic bit spill over to that thread, too, but I guess it was just a timing thing??

proves nothing

 

[grndslm]

OK. If you say, so…

Are you guys afraid of some Bible Study, or what??

You ALL know ALL of the Good Book, and have never had any doubts or weak understandings??

THIS THREAD IS FOR SCRIPTURE TRANSLATION COMPARISON EXAMPLES!!

If you do not have any examples of scripture translations to compare, then why are you really here??

YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME WANT TO CRY!!! HAD I NEVER CHANGED MY PROFILE TO SAY “ACTIVE CHRISTIAN ANARCHIST WITH CATHOLIC SYMPATHIES”, I WOULDN’T HAVE RECEIVED FIVE PERCENT OF THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARD ME. THOSE WHO ATTACK ME ARE ATTACKING ME BASED ON FORM, NOT SUBSTANCE. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY DYNAMIC (SUBSTANTIAL) EQUIVALENCE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN FORMAL EQUIVALENCE.

Where is the substance, people??

In this thread, the substance is SCRIPTURE TRANSLATION COMPARISON EXAMPLES, not for why my Profile looks different from yours. You might as well stop attacking me, because your resistance is futile. Hopefully the mods here know what the formal equivalence of the phrase “ON-TOPIC” means and can act accordingly.

 

[grndslm]

Here’s the introductions to a couple example books…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7378701&postcount=7

Comparing the GNT to YOUR other favorite translation (the GNT is Catholic-approved, btw; as if you guys actually had a legitimate reason to attack me)…

Which one do YOU like better?
Which one do YOU understand easier?