Picture worth 1000 words???

[MrS]

cestusdei:

I see. If our religion was “pure” we would, like muslims, stone people to death or behead them for converting to another religion. Ah now I get it.

Guess if Jesus had waited 600 years and said “…he who is without sin…” then perhaps a Muslim would have begun the stoning?

 

[MrS]

lorrainerich:

1. is not as preached by Christ, anymore
2. Nor todays Christianity is a whole system of life, as not everything of Jesus is recorded nor what was recorded saved properly.
3. Thus, naturally, Christianity lost it’s grip over his own people. Christianity was not removed by some foreign non-Christian elements (Buddhists or Muslims or Jews). Christian themselves created a most disgusting situation over a long period of time (many centuries) that eventually Christian subjects of Christian Fundamentalists Rule, got rid of the rule of their own religion and replaced it with a new religion (secularism) which is completely free of any shred of Christianity.

On the other hand, Islam:

1.remained as it is from their holy Book to their Prophet’s way of application. They take every precaution to preserve it and will enver allow any muslim or non-muslim to change the Book of God (Quran) because:
2. Islam is last and Complete Way of Life, as such it is called Al-Deen and not relgion and
3. the rule of Islam or neccessity of Islamic law (shari’ah) was not rejected by their followers (Muslims) but because of enemies of Islam through mischievious ways forced/attacked Islamic state thus for the greater cause Muslims kept their religion on individual levels. But whenever any Muslim state was/is allowed to elect their leaders freely, the majority wanted/still wants Islamists and like to see Islam prevail once again in full fledge form.

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This line of thought would make for a thread of its own… Muslims trying to show that nothing has changed in 1400 years with long long posts… and non-Muslims refuting the claim with short short posts.

Maybe you can start such a thread?

 

[JoeyWarren]

I will have to admit not all Muslims are bad. I have a niece in Connecticut that is a Muslim. She is the sweetest thing in the world. Also I have a coworker whose is Iraqan and a christian which he hides from his Iraqi Native born parents who are very nice too.

 

[Booklover]

lorrainerich:

Hi cestusdei,

Not exactly but you are now on the road to know/realise the facts. I want you to see the whole picture/context atleast for the sake of knowing what in fact Islam is from it’s own WHOLE perspective.

Unfortunately the followers of Christ did not retain the whole message of Christ in pure form and in it’s entirety, thus it makes no sense for Christians to persecute their apsotates nor they should kill Jews anymore and should abonden completely their stance towards Jews as responsible for the killing of their supposed God, because Christianity with it’s existing form:

Am I understanding this correctly? Is she implying that if Christianity were “pure” according to her, we would behead or stone people? :bigyikes:

1. is not as preached by Christ, anymore
2. Nor todays Christianity is a whole system of life, as not everything of Jesus is recorded nor what was recorded saved properly.

Christianity has never turned rational human beings into mere robots programmed to do everything they’re told!

1. Thus, naturally, Christianity lost it’s grip over his own people. Christianity was not removed by some foreign non-Christian elements (Buddhists or Muslims or Jews). Christian themselves created a most disgusting situation over a long period of time (many centuries) that eventually Christian subjects of Christian Fundamentalists Rule, got rid of the rule of their own religion and replaced it with a new religion (secularism) which is completely free of any shred of Christianity.

On the other hand, Islam:

1.remained as it is from their holy Book to their Prophet’s way of application. They take every precaution to preserve it and will enver allow any muslim or non-muslim to change the Book of God (Quran) because:
2. Islam is last and Complete Way of Life, as such it is called Al-Deen and not relgion and

Yes, a complete way of life that regulates people’s lives 24 hours a day! You don’t even have to think, you just follow orders! No spontaneity in Islam. “Allah” would have done better to have created a race of robots.

 

[inJESUS]

MrS:

Guess if Jesus had waited 600 years and said “…he who is without sin…” then perhaps a Muslim would have begun the stoning?

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

[BlovedbyBloved]

Not to* excuse * the Muslims in Afghanistan who were howling for this man’s blood, as I disagree with their behaviour, but just a couple of things to please take into consideration. The Muslim world is in a “dark age” right now, basically. Things are at a low point right now, in my opinion. In the future , I predict a definite resurgence, an “Islamic renaissance” if you will, and God-willing. What with the upswing of Western conversions, and (generally) higher birthrates amongst Muslims than among Christians (even nominal Christians only) , and also the fact that more Muslims, especially the young, “keep” their faith today (as opposed to Christians, Catholic or otherwise, so many of whom seem to fall away and just become the same as the largely “secularized” majority of Jews today for instance).

The Muslims in these kinds of pictures are poor, usually unemployed, probably hungry, maybe ill in some cases, definitely ill-tempered in general as a result of these factors. They have nothing to truly focus on all day except for the Faith (indeed their 'aqida is the one thing that they feel keeps them strong and holds their communities together, etc). And furthermore they feel themselves and their culture(s) and communities to be besieged right now , not only physically besieged and even Occupied (as is the case with Afghanistan and Iraq by the US / Britain, etc), but culturally besieged and occupied as well. That is why things such as the obscene unnecessarily provocative cartoons of the Prophet (saaws) and incidences such as this, a conversion to Christianity in their midst, rattles * these people far more to the core than anything comparable would or even could possibly “rattle” a Christian living a good happy prosperous life in the West. If some Muslim author wrote a book profaning Jesus (pbuh) , which no decent Muslim would do anyway, there might be some moderate protests by a some Christians, sure. But, in general, since the majority of the people in the nominally Christian (but actually totally secular) Western nations are A) generally far better educated , B ) far better fed and generally healthy in mind and body, C) not viewing themselves or their countries as “under siege” by forces they are powerless against and cannot effectively combat , and D) usually not very religious-minded in the first place, such Western folks are simply going to “blow off” any incidents like these , laugh it off, shake their heads, whatever. Like I said, sure there might be some moderate protesting or something done by the more zealous factions of Christians but in general the two societies , the two cultures , are not * truly comparable right now because they are simply at far different stages of cultural development. That is not to say the Muslim societies are less “culturally developed” , but they are just far differently developed. There never was , yet, anything approaching a “Renaissance” or “Enlightenment” in Islam. Religion is taken as seriously in such places as you see in these kinds of photographs as Christianity , the Church , used to be taken in pre-Reformation era Europe, especially by the “commoners” and the serfs and peasants.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Thanks lorraine for you rather long and self-righteous post. It must be nice to have all the answers!

I’ll stick to my discussion with Emad thank you. He seems more intent on teaching about his religion rather than telling me what is wrong with mine.