Pictures of Beautiful "Catholic Mass and Procession"....but is it Catholic?

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zab said:
I believe the details do support the statement “The Queen is the head of the Church of England”. Apparently the opening page has changed from yesterday and the link to that statement is no longer there. However, on the history and background page it does make clear what Henry VIII did and gives the difference between the Sovereign’s relationship to the Church of England and the Church of Scotland. royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/QueenandChurch/History.aspx
"Henry VIII broke from the Roman Catholic Church by denying papal claims to ecclesiastical or any other jurisdiction, and* by declaring himself rather than the Pope as Supreme Head of the Church in England.***

The Sovereign’s relationship to the Church of Scotland is different. Since 1707, the British Monarch has been required by the Treaty of Union to preserve the Church of Scotland"
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Yet again, this ignores - or skips out! - the changes made in 1559 where the Monarch was made Supreme Governor rather than Head.
 
Fraz94 said:
Dear Friends,
Code: 
               Before reading this post- take a look at the pictures at the end of the post and then come back read the following statement below...





                      ** Would it shock would you if I told you these images come from an Anglican Church???**
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Would it?
No.
Did it?
No.

😃
 
Fraz94 said:
Thanks to everyone for posting on this. In regards to the “is the Queen the head of the Church” argument. I am English and have grown up in England, Queen Elizabeth is certainly the head of the English Church and its supreme governor, she is both. I don’t agree with the title nor her role but that is the fact of it!
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No .

Queen Elizabeth is not the Head of the English Church . Jesus Christ is the Head .

The Queen is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England , which in practice is an honorary title .
 
liturgyluver said:
No. There is a clear distinction to be made between Head which implies active power and authority like the Pope has, and Supreme Governor which is an executive role with no power over decision-making or day to day matters. The latter applies to the Monarch’s role. The Archbishops have power and authority on church governance.
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Then what does it mean,
“…but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice.” ?
 
liturgyluver said:
Yet again, this ignores - or skips out! - the changes made in 1559 where the Monarch was made Supreme Governor rather than Head.
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So why does the Official website for the British Monarchy make such a statement that “The Queen is the head of the Church of England” and “ignores -or skips out!” -the changeds made in 1559" ?
 
zab said:
So why does the Official website for the British Monarchy make such a statement that “The Queen is the head of the Church of England” and “ignores -or skips out!” -the changeds made in 1559" ?
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You said yourself it doesn’t say that anymore and the extract you quoted was about Henry VIII who did indeed declare himself head of the Church of England but this was later withdrawn in 1559 as I said twice before.
 
zab said:
Then what does it mean,
“…but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice.” ?
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Royal Assent is the name for the method by which any constitutional monarch formally approves an act thus making it a law. The role of the Sovereign in the enactment of legislation is today purely formal. The Monarch has no role or influence on General Synod which are managed by the Archbishops.
 
zab said:
Oh, I have no problem with Giving God our best. But we must also remember that living our faith and striving to grow in virtue is important as well, in fact more important that just having the finest vestments and the most beautiful churches and wearing veils and praying the Traditional Latin Mass. I’m not against those things but there is more to it than that.
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No one here is pitting giving our best in real life against giving our best in divine worship. They should both exist, no? 🤷
 
liturgyluver said:
You said yourself it doesn’t say that anymore and the extract you quoted was about Henry VIII who did indeed declare himself head of the Church of England but this was later withdrawn in 1559 as I said twice before.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_England
The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a title held by the British monarch that signifies titular leadership over the Church of England.[1] Although the monarch’s authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial, the position is still very relevant to the church and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity. The Supreme Governor formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders.[1]

and…
By 1536, Henry VIII had broken with Rome, seized the Church’s assets in England and declared the Church of England as the established church with himself as its head. The Act of Supremacy 1534 confirmed the King’s status as having supremacy over the church and required the nobility to swear an oath recognising Henry’s supremacy.[2] Henry’s daughter, Queen Mary I, attempted to restore the English Church’s allegiance to the Pope and repealed the Act of Supremacy in 1555.[3] Elizabeth I ascended to the throne in 1558 and the next year Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy 1559 that restored the original act.[4] To placate critics, the Oath of Supremacy which nobles were required to swear, gave the monarch’s title as Supreme Governor rather than Supreme Head of the church. This wording avoided the charge that the monarchy was claiming divinity or usurping Christ, whom the Bible explicitly identifies as Head of the Church.[5]
“Defender of the Faith” (Fidei Defensor) has been part of the English (and since the Union of Scotland and England, British) monarch’s title since Henry VIII was granted it by Pope Leo X in 1521 in recognition of Henry’s role in opposing the Protestant Reformation.[2] The pope withdrew the title, but it was later reconferred by Parliament in the reign of Edward VI.
 
zab said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_England
The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a title held by the British monarch that signifies titular leadership over the Church of England.[1] Although the monarch’s authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial, the position is still very relevant to the church and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity. The Supreme Governor formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders.[1]

and…
By 1536, Henry VIII had broken with Rome, seized the Church’s assets in England and declared the Church of England as the established church with himself as its head. The Act of Supremacy 1534 confirmed the King’s status as having supremacy over the church and required the nobility to swear an oath recognising Henry’s supremacy.[2] Henry’s daughter, Queen Mary I, attempted to restore the English Church’s allegiance to the Pope and repealed the Act of Supremacy in 1555.[3] Elizabeth I** ascended to the throne in 1558 and the next year Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy 1559 that restored the original act.[4]** To placate critics, the Oath of Supremacy which nobles were required to swear, gave the monarch’s title as Supreme Governor rather than Supreme Head of the church. This wording avoided the charge that the monarchy was claiming divinity or usurping Christ, whom the Bible explicitly identifies as Head of the Church.URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_England#cite_note-5”][5]
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“Defender of the Faith” (Fidei Defensor) has been part of the English (and since the Union of Scotland and England, British) monarch’s title since Henry VIII was granted it by Pope Leo X in 1521 in recognition of Henry’s role in opposing the Protestant Reformation.[2] The pope withdrew the title, but it was later reconferred by Parliament in the reign of Edward VI.

Not sure why you reposted what I posted yesterday. This simply illustrates that the Monarch is indeed Supreme Governor and not Head (I have emboldened the relevant reference in your extract above) . Thank you for this. I think at last we agree 😉
 
liturgyluver said:
Not sure why you reposted what I posted yesterday. This simply illustrates that the Monarch is indeed Supreme Govdernor and not Head. Thank you for this. I think at last we agree 😉
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Well if you agree that the words were changed “to placate the critics” while holding to the orginial act. It holds that Christ is the head of the church. But where does it say, as you have said, that the Archbishop of Canturbury is the head of the church of England on earth?
 
zab said:
Well if you agree that the words were changed “to placate the critics” while holding to the orginial act. It holds that Christ is the head of the church. But where does it say, as you have said, that the Archbishop of Canturbury is the head of the church of England on earth?
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Here:

The Archbishop of Canterbury

www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/

The official site of the head of the Church of England. The speeches, press releases and CV of the present Archbishop are on-line.

and here:

churchofengland.org/about-us/structure.aspx

and here:

archbishopofcanterbury.org/pages/church-of-england.html
 
zab said:
It shows the structure of the Church with the Queen as the Supreme Governor. How does that show the Archbishop of Canturbury as the head?
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Read the third link which says:

Each province has a principal bishop – an archbishop who has personal authority and jurisdiction at all times as the so-called ‘metropolitan’. Since medieval times each has been acknowledged as a ‘primate’ (ie, bishop of the first see) of the church in England, Canterbury being the acknowledged since 1353 as the senior with the title of ‘Primate of All England’. - See more at: archbishopofcanterbury.org/pages/church-of-england.html#sthash.EmE8UTWH.dpuf

The Archbishop of Canterbury is the “Primate of All England” (the “first bishop” of England), effectively serving as the head of the established Church of England and, symbolically, of the worldwide Anglican Communion.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27089709

If you still insist after all this that the Queen is “the Head” or has any actual authority over the CofE then you are welcome to believe it - but you will be wrong.
 
I can’t see any point in continuing this discussion on who is the head of England on earth. I admire the pictures that were posted and I have heard some of the most beautiful singing from the Anglican choir. And it is important to pray for Christian unity.
 
zab said:
I can’t see any point in continuing this discussion on who is the head of England on earth. I admire the pictures that were posted and I have heard some of the most beautiful singing from the Anglican choir. And it is important to pray for Christian unity.
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Amen to that brother! That is the important thing for us to focus on. Unity to the true church. 👍
 
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