Pieta Prayer Book

[ellzeena]

I don’t know if this forum is appropriate for this question. If not, I apologize. A close friend heavily relies upon the Pieta Prayer Book and he gave it to me today until I can “find” one of my own. I was going to purchase one and then I came upon a site
catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2011/10/14/why-we-dont-carry-the-pieta-prayer-book/
that makes me pause. I am all too aware that Satan is very, very busy right now and wants to lead the faithful AWAY from the Truth so, before I rely upon any compilation of prayer, I need to be careful about the source because I intend to go to Paradise.

Can anyone knowledgeably comment upon the “problem” perceived by this site? Thank you in advance.

 

[mymamamary]

I have read that too. I however, found the Prayer book very instrumental for my “re-version” to the Faith. If it bothers you, take a Sharpie and scratch the line out. The rest of the prayers are very sound and common. You can find most of those prayers on prayer cards and other prayer books, so its not bad. The 15 St. Bridget prayers are VERY beautiful. One word of caution though: I would recommend that when You pray the prayers in the Pieta prayer book, avoid praying them for the promises. Pray the prayers because you love our LORD. It is a very cheap (I picked up a full color copy for about $6, You can pick up a black and white paperback for about $2, $2.50) and very solid Prayerbook. I would use it in supplement to another one or two prayer book(s). I recommend it!!

 

[DebChris]

I have a copy of The Pieta Prayer Book that I picked up from the parish gift shop. It is a collection of traditional prayers that many Catholics have prayed for generations.
I used a light pencil to mark the prayers in the index that I want to pray on a regular basis. I liked learning that the Angelus “originated during the crusades as a prayer for peace and tranquility.”

The website in the OP questions the revelations of Mutter Vogel. Private revelations need not be accepted. I did find it a good disposition to take. If you have questions about a priest’s worthiness, take it up with the Lord instead of gossiping about him. God will lead his servant.
We should definitely pray for our priests.

 

[mymamamary]

I have a copy of The Pieta Prayer Book that I picked up from the parish gift shop. It is a collection of traditional prayers that many Catholics have prayed for generations.
I used a light pencil to mark the prayers in the index that I want to pray on a regular basis. I liked learning that the Angelus “originated during the crusades as a prayer for peace and tranquility.”

The website in the OP questions the revelations of Mutter Vogel. Private revelations need not be accepted. I did find it a good disposition to take. If you have questions about a priest’s worthiness, take it up with the Lord instead of gossiping about him. God will lead his servant.
We should definitely pray for our priests.

I agree. The statement itself concering the Graces recieved from a “bad” Priest might be heresy, but the rest is sound advice concerning our duty to pray for our Priests. We should never gossip about our Priests as they are Our Ordained Spiritual Fathers. We owe them our utmost respect (Yes, even the Liberal Ones) and reverence.

 

[ellzeena]

I have read that too. I however, found the Prayer book very instrumental for my “re-version” to the Faith. If it bothers you, take a Sharpie and scratch the line out. The rest of the prayers are very sound and common. You can find most of those prayers on prayer cards and other prayer books, so its not bad. The 15 St. Bridget prayers are VERY beautiful. One word of caution though: I would recommend that when You pray the prayers in the Pieta prayer book, avoid praying them for the promises. Pray the prayers because you love our LORD. It is a very cheap (I picked up a full color copy for about $6, You can pick up a black and white paperback for about $2, $2.50) and very solid Prayerbook. I would use it in supplement to another one or two prayer book(s). I recommend it!!

I agree 100%, I don’t focus my adoration and prayer in order to gain anything (unless for a departed soul, I do a lot of plenary indulgence work on their behalf, only God knows if I’m worthy at any given day to earn one, but I try).

I did order the booklet. I do know that private revelation needs to be approached quite conservatively and cautiously, since Jesus warned us about many false prophets. And I do agree that talking about a priest behind is back is unacceptable. If I have a problem with a priest, I talk to him about it and I pray for the two priests who are presently in my life. Giving one’s life to God is an enormous thing. We need to respect those who are genuine in their priesthood and pray for any we might think are not genuine, because we are in no position to judge. Thank you, all

 

[odgers]

I don’t know if this forum is appropriate for this question. If not, I apologize. A close friend heavily relies upon the Pieta Prayer Book and he gave it to me today until I can “find” one of my own. I was going to purchase one and then I came upon a site
catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2011/10/14/why-we-dont-carry-the-pieta-prayer-book/
that makes me pause. I am all too aware that Satan is very, very busy right now and wants to lead the faithful AWAY from the Truth so, before I rely upon any compilation of prayer, I need to be careful about the source because I intend to go to Paradise.

Can anyone knowledgeably comment upon the “problem” perceived by this site? Thank you in advance.

The vast majority of the *Pieta Prayer Book * IS documented by either the Imprimatur, Nihil Obstat, “Indulgenced By” some Pope, or come from a revelation of a saint.

Please revisit the website you referenced as they have since changed their position on trying to call Mother Vogel’s statement “heresy!” However, the harm has already been done, so many will not find out that they rescinded their erroneous statement. This statement of Mother Vogel’s was found similarly in the Summa, which would mean that it is NOT heresy!
catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2011/10/14/why-we-dont-carry-the-pieta-prayer-book/
From the Summa: “…the more a priest strives for holiness and lives in near-perfect virtue, the more graces this priest would call from God during the celebration of the Holy Mass.”
Neither Mother Vogel, nor St. Thomas is trying to call the celebration of the Mass more or less or somehow not legitimate but simply stating that more graces, or less, “may be called from God during the celebration.” We must be so careful of all things, books AND ESPECIALLY THE INTERNET. There are many logical sounding things that may sound legitimate, like calling Vogel’s statement wrong when indeed we were all wrong in following the ill advice of the well-meaning website!!! And there are at least several other websites making this same claim of heresy when indeed they are the ones in the wrong!

 

[odgers]

catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2011/10/14/why-we-dont-carry-the-pieta-prayer-book/
From the Summa: “…the more a priest strives for holiness and lives in near-perfect virtue, the more graces this priest would call from God during the celebration of the Holy Mass.”

I quoted the wrong part of the website. Here is the correct quote of the Summa, as posted on the above website…*"On the contrary, It is stated in Decretal i, q. 1: “The worthier the priest, the sooner is he heard in the needs for which he prays.”

I answer that, There are two things to be considered in the mass. namely, the sacrament itself, which is the chief thing; and the prayers which are offered up in the mass for the quick and the dead. So far as the mass itself is concerned, the mass of a wicked priest is not of less value than that of a good priest, because the same sacrifice is offered by both.

Again, the prayer put up in the mass can be considered in two respects: first of all, in so far as it has its efficacy from the devotion of the priest interceding, and in this respect there is no doubt but that the mass of the better priest is the more fruitful."*

 

[odgers]

I]"On the contrary, It is stated in Decretal i, q. 1: “The worthier the priest, the sooner is he heard in the needs for which he prays.”

I answer that, There are two things to be considered in the mass. namely, the sacrament itself, which is the chief thing; and the prayers which are offered up in the mass for the quick and the dead. So far as the mass itself is concerned, the mass of a wicked priest is not of less value than that of a good priest, because the same sacrifice is offered by both.

Again, the prayer put up in the mass can be considered in two respects: first of all, in so far as it has its efficacy from the devotion of the priest interceding, and in this respect there is no doubt but that the mass of the better priest is the more fruitful."

To see the quote from the Summa on a legitimate website:
newadvent.org/summa/4082.htm

A decretal is a papal decree. By papal decree the same words as Muter Vogel’s have been said! And St. Thomas’ words in the Summa are the same too!

Those who try to say this is heresy are just plain wrong!

Everything does not have to be directly approved by the Church to be okay, we must of course exercise caution if it is not.