Pilgrimages to Ukraine

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What kind of interesting Pilgrimages can one make to Ukraine? I understand that the Virgin Mary appeared there and so on so there must be many places to visit. But where to go? and where have you been in the Ukraine and how did the pilgrimage go for you?

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Most of the interesting sites may be under control of the Orthodox. But thats fine. I was watching the Mysteries of the Jesus Prayer and they showed this monastery in Ukraine. The Patriarchate Cathedral for the Ukrainian Catholics also look like an awesome place to go, but I don’t know when it will be completed. But its huge from the outside.
 
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Most of the interesting sites may be under control of the Orthodox. But thats fine. I was watching the Mysteries of the Jesus Prayer and they showed this monastery in Ukraine. The Patriarchate Cathedral for the Ukrainian Catholics also look like an awesome place to go, but I don’t know when it will be completed. But its huge from the outside.
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I dont understand what you mean by they are controlled by the Orthodox? are they sites shared by both Orthodox and Catholic?

Any pictures of the Patriarchate Cathedral? sounds Awesome.
 
Wow thats massive. Even just going to visit it under construction would be a pilgrimage in itself I’m sure. 🙂
 
Stephentlig said:
Wow thats massive. Even just going to visit it under construction would be a pilgrimage in itself I’m sure. 🙂
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If you watched the enthronement of HB Sviatoslav then you sould have seen the inside of the cathedral. Its still a way off from being complete. Are you planning to go there soon?
 
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If you watched the enthronement of HB Sviatoslav then you sould have seen the inside of the cathedral. Its still a way off from being complete. Are you planning to go there soon?
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I watched a bit of the entronement but it was in Ukrainian so I got some of his Homily in English instead. I’m not planning to go there anytime soon but have been on taking my wife somewhere on pilgrimage soon. She has been wanting to go to Medugorje but I’ve already been there twice. So I’m gonna try to convince her of Ukraine. But the liklihood is that we will end up in Medugorje again. It is afterall the Holy land of Our Lady Queen of peace and a great place to be. Maybe we can go to Medjugorje one year and Ukraine another. I’ve no idea but would love to go sometime. I just thought I’d ask about places to visit first.

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I’ll go to Jerusalem and Rome first before going to Ukraine. Possibly Spain because of some ancestry there.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I’ll go to Jerusalem and Rome first before going to Ukraine. Possibly Spain because of some ancestry there.
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Yeah Jerusalem is always the place of interest. I would go but its way too expensive. I like also sometimes to visit places least visited. I had planned on doing the camino de compastella once on my bike. I bought it specifically for it then crashed it and buckled the wheel a few days later lol. that was when I was single. Things get financially harder when married so doing it now would be costly as would Jerusalem.
 
Stephentlig said:
Yeah Jerusalem is always the place of interest. I would go but its way too expensive. I like also sometimes to visit places least visited. I had planned on doing the camino de compastella once on my bike. I bought it specifically for it then crashed it and buckled the wheel a few days later lol. that was when I was single. Things get financially harder when married so doing it now would be costly as would Jerusalem.
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For sure. But my mom has always dreamed of going to Jerusalem. I hope I can afford to get here there soon, she’s not getting any younger. Plus me and my wife has dreamed of going to Europe for a while. Perhaps a 3-week Jerusalem + Rome with side trips in Italy would be our first European vacation.

As for Ukraine, is English spoken commonly by the people there? I don’t know how I’ll get around if not. Maybe I’ll take my priest with me 😃
 
ConstantineTG said:
For sure. But my mom has always dreamed of going to Jerusalem. I hope I can afford to get here there soon, she’s not getting any younger. Plus me and my wife has dreamed of going to Europe for a while. Perhaps a 3-week Jerusalem + Rome with side trips in Italy would be our first European vacation.

As for Ukraine, is English spoken commonly by the people there? I don’t know how I’ll get around if not. Maybe I’ll take my priest with me 😃
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Yeah Jerusalem Jerusalem, that ground I dream of walking upon when I’ve got the cash. I’ll just have to be more frugal with it in future lol.

Have you ever considered Ireland as a stop off? some great pligrimages here too. Since my return to the church I’ve only been on one to Knock. But when I was younger ( about six ) my dad took me on a bus to Mount melary where Our Lady appeared. It was a 6 hour long drive down the country. I got sick all the way ( it was a smelly bus honest, I’ve never liked smelly buses ever since ) and so much so that even when there was nothing left to vomit I still got sick. Bus stopped every few minutes for me which made it an even longer journey.

My wife speaks Russian. And as far as I am aware many Ukrainians also speak Russian so I wouldnt have a problem. But I’d say just take a handy book of transliterated Ukrainian with you and you would be fine. I did that before going to Medugorje. I learned the language enough to get around ( even though many spoke english its always nice to speak to them in their native tongue.)

If there were good books on it I’d learn Ukrainian indeed.

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Stephen
 
Stephentlig said:
Yeah Jerusalem Jerusalem, that ground I dream of walking upon when I’ve got the cash. I’ll just have to be more frugal with it in future lol.

Have you ever considered Ireland as a stop off? some great pligrimages here too. Since my return to the church I’ve only been on one to Knock. But when I was younger ( about six ) my dad took me on a bus to Mount melary where Our Lady appeared. It was a 6 hour long drive down the country. I got sick all the way ( it was a smelly bus honest, I’ve never liked smelly buses ever since ) and so much so that even when there was nothing left to vomit I still got sick. Bus stopped every few minutes for me which made it an even longer journey.

My wife speaks Russian. And as far as I am aware many Ukrainians also speak Russian so I wouldnt have a problem. But I’d say just take a handy book of transliterated Ukrainian with you and you would be fine. I did that before going to Medugorje. I learned the language enough to get around ( even though many spoke english its always nice to speak to them in their native tongue.)

If there were good books on it I’d learn Ukrainian indeed.

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Whatever little Ukrainian I know, I learned in church. I might be mistaken for a priest who has lost his mind 😃

Oh, you may want to check parishes. I know our Bishop led a pilgrimage to Ukraine some time ago. This year he’s leading one in Rome. It would be awesome to go on a pilgrimage led by one of the Bishops. There could be a parish or eparchy somewhere that is planning a pilgrimage to Ukraine. Usually the cost advertised is just the cost on the ground in Ukraine, and you’d have to add the airfare to and from your home to Ukraine.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Whatever little Ukrainian I know, I learned in church. I might be mistaken for a priest who has lost his mind 😃

Oh, you may want to check parishes. I know our Bishop led a pilgrimage to Ukraine some time ago. This year he’s leading one in Rome. It would be awesome to go on a pilgrimage led by one of the Bishops. There could be a parish or eparchy somewhere that is planning a pilgrimage to Ukraine. Usually the cost advertised is just the cost on the ground in Ukraine, and you’d have to add the airfare to and from your home to Ukraine.
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I find those methods of travelling to be cheap. only problem I have with them is that you could pay for the pilgrimage and then end up not being able to get a flight? 🤷 I dunno, I’ve flown that much you’d think I’d know by now.

Last time I checked I found that my local Parish Of Hieromartyr Blessed Nicholas here in Dublin had a trip to Knock on the west of Ireland. I would of tried to go but there always seems to be a problem with their site when I sign up for the newsletter. So the other night I blindly filled it out in Ukrainian to see if it may be something to do with the google translate on the site and it worked. But…no confirmation e-mail sent yet and still no newsletter lol. So I must just check the site regularly more often.

I would love to go to Ukraine because to just visit a Ukrainian parish Church centuries old would be enough of a pilgrimage for me and I’d return home happy and full of the Good and Holy Spirit.

I imagine for you guys in America it must be difficult to travel to Europe. Long flights and seriously expensive ones at that. I mean…if a trip to Jerusalem ( which is only a few hours away from me and hours away for you ) for me costs too much, I cant imagine how much it must cost for you guys.

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Stephen
 
Stephentlig said:
I find those methods of travelling to be cheap. only problem I have with them is that you could pay for the pilgrimage and then end up not being able to get a flight? 🤷 I dunno, I’ve flown that much you’d think I’d know by now.

Last time I checked I found that my local Parish Of Hieromartyr Blessed Nicholas here in Dublin had a trip to Knock on the west of Ireland. I would of tried to go but there always seems to be a problem with their site when I sign up for the newsletter. So the other night I blindly filled it out in Ukrainian to see if it may be something to do with the google translate on the site and it worked. But…no confirmation e-mail sent yet and still no newsletter lol. So I must just check the site regularly more often.

I would love to go to Ukraine because to just visit a Ukrainian parish Church centuries old would be enough of a pilgrimage for me and I’d return home happy and full of the Good and Holy Spirit.

I imagine for you guys in America it must be difficult to travel to Europe. Long flights and seriously expensive ones at that. I mean…if a trip to Jerusalem ( which is only a few hours away from me and hours away for you ) for me costs too much, I cant imagine how much it must cost for you guys.

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Stephen
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I don’t mind long flights. I come from the Philippines. Crossing the Atlantic is far faster than crossing the Pacific.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I don’t mind long flights. I come from the Philippines. Crossing the Atlantic is far faster than crossing the Pacific.
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whoops. Thought you were American ( probably because this is an american dominated site ).

Is it really longer? I’ve never been jet lagged before until I made a trip to New Jersey in the states. my body clock and eating habits were all over the place. In saying that I found the cities of America to be very cramped and intimidating. Couldnt wait to get home to be honest. If I were to choose a place to live in America it would have to be its countryside.

What is the Philipines like? any good pilgrimages or saints from that region?
 
Stephentlig said:
whoops. Thought you were American ( probably because this is an american dominated site ).

Is it really longer? I’ve never been jet lagged before until I made a trip to New Jersey in the states. my body clock and eating habits were all over the place. In saying that I found the cities of America to be very cramped and intimidating. Couldnt wait to get home to be honest. If I were to choose a place to live in America it would have to be its countryside.

What is the Philipines like? any good pilgrimages or saints from that region?
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Well, I don’t even live in America, I live in Canada 😃

We have the oldest churches in Eastern Asia. Even though we have been Catholics for 490 years, we’ve only produced one saint and 3 blesseds. But lots of Spanish-era churches to go to, and lots of pilgrimage sites mostly dedicated to Our Lady. One of the best places to go to is the Sto. Nino Basillica in Cebu where they have Magellan’s Cross. Its where Christianity began in the Philippines. Plus its close to Bohol, one of the best beach destinations in the country, if not the world.
 
I would love to learn the history of how Christianity came to the Philipines. A lot of Redemptorists in my area go on missions there.

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Stephen
 
Stephentlig said:
I would love to learn the history of how Christianity came to the Philipines. A lot of Redemptorists in my area go on missions there.

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Stephen
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Magellan accidentally discovered the Philippines while looking for a route to India. Later the Philippines was colonized and Christianized under the Spanish Inquisition. For 333 years, Spain had control of the Philippines as a colony and was later given to the US as part of the Treaty of Paris along with Guam and Puerto Rico. The Philipines was over 90% Roman Catholic by the time the US took over.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Magellan accidentally discovered the Philippines while looking for a route to India. Later the Philippines was colonized and Christianized under the Spanish Inquisition. For 333 years, Spain had control of the Philippines as a colony and was later given to the US as part of the Treaty of Paris along with Guam and Puerto Rico. The Philipines was over 90% Roman Catholic by the time the US took over.
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Who is Magellan? And how is the Catholic Church doing in the Philippines today? and what other religions exist in the Philippines?

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Stephen
 
Stephentlig said:
Who is Magellan? And how is the Catholic Church doing in the Philippines today? and what other religions exist in the Philippines?

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Stephen
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Magellan is a world traveler, similar to Christopher Columbus. He is Portuguese but this particular voyage that brought him to the Philippines and his demise (he was killed in a tribal battle) was for Spain. He is the first person to navigate around the southern tip of South America and get to the Pacific Ocean from the Atlantic Ocean (thus it is known today as the Strait of Magellan).

The Catholic Church in the Philippines is still the dominant faith today although its been slowly eroding. Philippine society has envied American society and has painstakingly tried to mimic American society including secularization. There are now “freethinkers” in what was once and overly religious culture. Also with the Americanization is the entrance of Protestant denominations including Pentecostals and Evangelicals and Non-Denominationals who have been tirelessly converting Filipino Catholics to their side. Poor catechism is to blame. The country is mostly poor and the Church’s efforts are mostly concentrated on helping the poor. Plus, being a dominant faith means every other group out there is armed to the teeth with anti-Catholic apologetic and propaganda. Its now estimated that only about 80% of the population are Catholics, down from over 90% just a couple of decades ago. And only about half of that number are actual practicing Catholics.

But despite that grim picture, with the large population, parishes are still overflowing with people and Masses start as early as 5am on Sundays and the last Mass is as late as 9pm. Just because there is so much people. Also, there are many cultural practices that are intertwined with the faith.
 
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