Pittsburgh, PA - Christ Hope parishioners admonished

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Pittsburgh, PA - Christ Hope parishioners admonished
pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_353143.html

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Hausen, 67, cited an “autocratic and despotic” Catholic hierarchy when he left the church last year. He favors marriage for priests, the ordination of women and debate on the subject of birth control, all positions contrary to Catholic teaching.

My comment: Thank you, Rev Hausen, for making the Catholic Church smaller. May many more flock to your door, may our Church become smaller still. Pardon me, while I close the Cafeteria door behind you.
 
Being originally from the Pittsburgh area, I have been following this from the beginning. I see Hausen and gang as a “progressive” equivalent to the schismatic traditionalist groups.

Both of them need to be treated the same way starting with admonishments and working upto excommunication, if necessary.

BTW: Hausen has been excommunicated.

PF
 
Hausen had been at odds with the Diocese of Pittsburgh long before he set up his own church. Hausen stated at a homily that priests should be allowed to marry (before he became schismatic).

Hausen is supposed to be a charismatic fellow. A former coworker of mine who attended Mass at his parish really liked him.

What Hausen has done is wrong. He knew what he was getting into when he studied to be a priest.
 
I am sure he has more liberal positions than… uh-oh,… married priests.
 
“It kind of upsets me. Are they threatening me, threatening my immortal soul?” asked Jim Copenhaver, 55 of Moon, who was raised Catholic and now is a member of the Christ Hope board.

:nope:

The main threat to Mr. Copenhaver’s immortal soul is himself and his pride.
 
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mgy100:
I am sure he has more liberal positions than… uh-oh,… married priests.
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The issue of married priests is a strange one. While some in the Latin Church view it as a “liberal” issue, it can also be seen as a “traditional” issue as the early Church had married priests.

It is also important to note that the support of married priests with in the Byzantine Chruches is fully a traditional issue as we have always had a married priesthood. It was not until the 1930’s that priestly celibacy was imposed upon the Byzantine Catholic priests in North America by Rome, we have always had a married priesthood in the rest of the World and we are now restoring this tradition here in North America.
 
Hausen, 67, cited an “autocratic and despotic” Catholic hierarchy when he left the church last year. He favors marriage for priests, the ordination of women and debate on the subject of birth control, all positions contrary to Catholic teaching.
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Those aren’t “all positions contrary to Catholic teaching,” if, by “teaching” we mean “doctrine.” Women cannot be ordained. Period. There is no legitimate debate on the subject of birth control if that is taken to mean artificial birth control (such as the Pill or condoms). Period.

Marriage for priests, however, is an acceptable area for debate because priestly celibacy is not a doctrinal issue. Of course, one must be willing to accept the discipline of the Church in this regard. One can question that married men ought to be allowed ordination, but one cannot use this question to flout the Church’s authority.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
(from the article) <<Audrey Kelly, 40, of Collier, was unruffled by the statement.
“It does not matter to me at all. I have to live my life and practice my faith the way I want,” Kelly said.>> (emphasis added)

Is it just me, or does this seem to be a prevailing misconception among American Catholics (and probably Catholics at large.) What about what *Christ *wants *for *you? It’s not repressive, people, it’s freedom!!!
 
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ByzCath:
The issue of married priests is a strange one. While some in the Latin Church view it as a “liberal” issue, it can also be seen as a “traditional” issue as the early Church had married priests.
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As the quote used above indicates, this priest is in favor of “marriage for priests” which as you have pointed out many times your self, is a vastly different issue than allowing married men to become priests. To allow already ordained priests to0 marry is a radically liberal idea, even for Eastern Catholics.

As stated, that is a liberal and possible heretical position. As the “experiments” with former Lutheren and Epicopal priests seem to be proving successful, I think that more Catholics (Latin) will be exposed to married men in the priestly role. Hopefully, the Church will put them in wider, more visible roles as time goes on. (Usually they do not currently serve in parishes).

A lot of it is the “company” of the issues. Again, as the above quote showed, many people who advocate marriage for priests lump the issue together with women priests, approval of artificial birth control etc.
 
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kmktexas:
As the quote used above indicates, this priest is in favor of “marriage for priests” which as you have pointed out many times your self, is a vastly different issue than allowing married men to become priests. To allow already ordained priests to0 marry is a radically liberal idea, even for Eastern Catholics.
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Actually the news article says he is in support of “marriage for priests”. This does not mean he is really asking for that. News reporters get it wrong all the time. This priest may very will be in favor of married priest and the reporter took that as that he wants priests to be allowed to get married.
 
cathyt said:
(from the article) <<Audrey Kelly, 40, of Collier, was unruffled by the statement.
“It does not matter to me at all. I have to live my life and practice my faith the way I want,” Kelly said.>> (emphasis added)

Is it just me, or does this seem to be a prevailing misconception among American Catholics (and probably Catholics at large.) What about what *Christ *wants *for *you? It’s not repressive, people, it’s freedom!!!
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One may roughly paraphrase God’s words at the Last Judgement:
He says to those on His right - Welcome to My way.:cool:
And to those on His left - Have it your way. :eek:
 
The Christ Hope Church is all about William Hausen not Christ. The only coverage I see about this man and his “church” is about him. People say they left the Church because of* him*. It’s a cult of personality.

Here’s more on William Hausen from another article:

**Hausen announced plans for his new church after he split with the church over issues including discipline he had faced for alcoholism. Hausen said he’s sober and that the church was too controlling.
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http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2741
 
You know, I am not in favor of any dissenter/schismatic/ or heretic movement but Hausen is way over the line. The article does not even do him justice. Take for instance, the following from his website christhope.com

"*General Absolution for sins is offered at every Liturgy.

We do not believe in Dogmatic Statements. There is no absolute knowledge. And those who claim it, whether they are scientists or dogmatists, open the door to tragedy. Our knowledge is merely confined within a certain tolerance. (confer Heisenberg and Planck on the “quantum”) We look with great reverence and openness of heart to Jesus Christ as our Main Teacher, but we also study and appreciate the Great Teachers of all the Great Religions of the World. We are, therefore, an eclectic,independent, and common sense community.

We run a “WE” program of Parishioners and People who attend. We are Positive, and spend little time on past resentments. We are Responsible, and are attracted by the Great Thinkers of the Ages who brought us out of darkness into a new wonderful light.*"

Jesus Christ, a main teacher??? To be taken will all the other great teachers of the world? This guy cannot be called a Christian in any sense of the word. There is a lot more to him than being for married priests.

You know, I have often thought of leafleting one of his services with the Pillar of Fire booklet. If anyone is interested in joining me, drop me a message.
 
Audrey Kelly, 40, of Collier, was unruffled by the statement. “It does not matter to me at all. I have to live my life and practice my faith the way I want,” Kelly said.
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Well isn’t that special. Her own religion! She’s accountable to no one but herself!
 
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AuntMartha:
Well isn’t that special. Her own religion! She’s accountable to no one but herself!
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Yes, this struck me as well.

This is the worship of ourselves. We become our own idols.
 
History keeps repeating itself. Another Protestant denomination is born.
 
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