Pius XII and John Paul II by Patrick Buchanan

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Pius XII and John Paul II
by Patrick Buchanan

Now that the mourning for John Paul II has ended and he has been laid to rest in St. Peter’s, it is time to consider the state of the church he led for 27 years. For, despite his extraordinary life, his holiness and his critical role in bringing an end to communist rule in Eastern Europe, the condition of the church is grave.

Two years ago, Kenneth C. Jones of St. Louis pulled together a slim book he titled “Index of Leading Catholic Indicators: The Church Since Vatican II.” As that church council ended 40 years ago this year, what good fruit did it bear? Since 1965:
  • The number of Catholic priests has fallen from 58,000 to 45,000. By 2020, there will be 31,000 and half will be over 70.
  • In 1965, 1,575 new priests were ordained. In 2002, the number was 450. Some 3,000 parishes are today without priests.
  • Between 1965 and 2002, the number of seminarians fell from 49,999 to 4,700, a decline of over 90 percent. Two-thirds of the seminaries open in 1965 have since closed their doors.
  • The number of Catholic nuns, 180,000 in 1965, has fallen by 60 percent. Their average age is now 68. The number of teaching nuns has fallen 94 percent since the close of Vatican II.
  • The number of young men studying to be Jesuits has fallen by 90 percent and of those studying to be Christian Brothers by 99 percent. The religious orders seem to be dying out in America.
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The only reason the study to be Jesuits are falling is because the ones the media likes to show are rebels for the most part.They don’t show Father Pacwa:( Also,if more Bishops would address issues and allow their priests to,the priesthood would be more respected.People flock to see Father Corapi because he tells the truth and does not avoid something that may be politically incorrect.Alot of Catholics have been taught that birth control is a matter of conscience:nope: so many Religious are more concerned with offending people by the truth they evade it or make sin a relative notion,that causes a loss of respect and a sense that they aren’t really needed.It is a shame:nope:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
The only reason the study to be Jesuits are falling is because the ones the media likes to show are rebels for the most part.They don’t show Father Pacwa:( Also,if more Bishops would address issues and allow their priests to,the priesthood would be more respected.People flock to see Father Corapi because he tells the truth and does not avoid something that may be politically incorrect.Alot of Catholics have been taught that birth control is a matter of conscience:nope: so many Religious are more concerned with offending people by the truth they evade it or make sin a relative notion,that causes a loss of respect and a sense that they aren’t really needed.It is a shame:nope:
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I don’t think anyone is “blame” for what is happening to the Church or to the world except for the master deciever our old advisary Satan. The mainstream world doesn’t want religion, religion puts a “cramp” in thier styles. Even if these people were in the church they are gonna do what they want anyway. To be one of the faithful one has to submit. The devil tells people that submiting is taking away thier rights. What can the church do? Teach and serve those that want it, want to recieve Christ. We can try to place blame on Vatican II or PJII or whoever else but it is the work of Satan and “freedom”. People want it but they want it thier way. Flame away if need be, people like Pat Buchanan irk me no end, it is so easy to be a critic, it is so hard to find a solution.
 
from Pius XII and John Paul II by Patrick Buchanan

Only 10 percent of lay religious teachers in 2002 accepted church teaching on contraception, 53 percent believed a Catholic woman could get an abortion and remain a good Catholic, 65 percent said Catholics have a right to divorce and remarry, and in a New York Times poll, 70 percent of Catholics ages 18 to 54 said they believed the Holy Eucharist was but a “symbolic reminder” of Jesus
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Mike_Olson:
Flame away if need be, people like Pat Buchanan irk me no end, it is so easy to be a critic, it is so hard to find a solution.
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Pat Buchanan does propose or rather prays for a solution in his article:

“With much of the church having succumbed to the heresy of modernism, it needs an Athanasius. As good a man as the pope was, as great as were his achievements, as noble as was his witness for life, the Catholic Church still awaits that bishop.”
 
It should be noted, that unless I am gravely mistaken, these stats concern only the Church in the United States…not around the world. The Church is doing considerably better (as far as those issues are concerned) in Africa and India and such places.
 
Buchanan always finds something to complain about.

Was John Paul II a failure? Or, was it the Bishops of the United States who failed?

JPII was a prolific writer and probably one of the kindest souls ever to walk the face of the Earth. As great an eveangelist as he was, administration was not his strong point. As a body, the Bishops of the United States seem determined to do what they want rahter than what they are supposed to do.

No doubt, the church in the United States and Western Europe faces serious problems. The same goes for almost everywhere else as well. Orthodox Catholicism is the answer to the problem.
 
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JW10631:
Buchanan always finds something to complain about.

Was John Paul II a failure? Or, was it the Bishops of the United States who failed?

JPII was a prolific writer and probably one of the kindest souls ever to walk the face of the Earth. As great an eveangelist as he was, administration was not his strong point. As a body, the Bishops of the United States seem determined to do what they want rahter than what they are supposed to do.

No doubt, the church in the United States and Western Europe faces serious problems. The same goes for almost everywhere else as well. Orthodox Catholicism is the answer to the problem.
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Yes and he always spoke the truth and didn’t back away from it because people didn’t want to hear it:( Pope John Paul 2 was not a failure at all.If the Majority of Religious spoke up whther people wanted to hear truth or not it would gain respect.
 
Pope John Paul II, who was bishop of Rome, did his job very well. The bishops in the various dioceses in the U.S. and Canada have done a very poor job.

In addition to taking care of his own diocese, Pope John Paul II did his best to help the bishops in the various dioceses throughout the world. Some of the bishops in the U.S. and Canada did their best to create more problems.

Each bishop, not the pope, is responsible for what occurs in his own diocese.
 
Chris Jacobsen:
Pope John Paul II, who was bishop of Rome, did his job very well. The bishops in the various dioceses in the U.S. and Canada have done a very poor job.

In addition to taking care of his own diocese, Pope John Paul II did his best to help the bishops in the various dioceses throughout the world. Some of the bishops in the U.S. and Canada did their best to create more problems.

Each bishop, not the pope, is responsible for what occurs in his own diocese.
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Agreed!
 
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JW10631:
Buchanan always finds something to complain about.
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LOL… :rotfl: I don’t care if he is Catholic - he’s something of an extremist and he’s WAY off base here. He should be ashamed of himself.
 
I don’t see how Buchanan is WAY off base. The Pope’s natural inclination was to suggest, or recommend rather than demand. A natural result is that certain prelates (Cardinal Mahoney comes to mind) pay no attention to papal exhortations they do not agree with. Its possible to be a saint and less than a great governor. Pope John Paul II himself admitted in Rise, Let us Be On Our Way, that he did not admonish Bishops, theologians etc as much as he should have:

“Another responsibility that certainly forms part of a pastor’s role is admonition. I think that in this regard I did too little. There is always a problem in achieving a balance between authority and service. Maybe I should have been more assertive. I think this is partly a matter of my temperament. Yet it could also be related to the will of Christ, who asked His Apostles not to dominate but to serve.”
 
Brian Crane:
I don’t see how Buchanan is WAY off base. The Pope’s natural inclination was to suggest, or recommend rather than demand. A natural result is that certain prelates (Cardinal Mahoney comes to mind) pay no attention to papal exhortations they do not agree with. Its possible to be a saint and less than a great governor. Pope John Paul II himself admitted in Rise, Let us Be On Our Way, that he did not admonish Bishops, theologians etc as much as he should have:

"Another responsibility that certainly forms part of a pastor’s role is admonition. I think that in this regard I did too little. There is always a problem in achieving a balance between authority and service. Maybe I should have been more assertive. I think this is partly a matter of my temperament. Yet it could also be related to the will of Christ, who asked His Apostles not to dominate but to serve."
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Thank you for finding the quote. JPII was a holy man and will be a powerful saint, but he should have done more to clean up the dissent.
 
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