Pius XII

[Antonio_B]

RobedWithLight:

Pope Pius XII governed the Church at a time when the Body of Christ was being severely tested to its limits. The rise of neo-pagan totalitarianism and Hitler, World War II, the Holocaust, The rise of atheistic Communism and the Cold War were not exactly good times for any one to be Pope. And we can rightfully say he did his job very well in spite of extraordinary odds.

Gerry

In full agreement. Also, in the theological arena he is very important because he declared the dogma of the Assumption of Mary in 1950!

Antonio

 

[bones_IV]

Antonio,

I’m sorry if my was misleading in my post. Antonio your facts are right on the point. I liked your comments regaurding Pius XII. Its Hermit who seems to have problems with the faith.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”

 

[Antonio_B]

bones_IV:

Antonio,

I’m sorry if my was misleading in my post. Antonio your facts are right on the point. I liked your comments regaurding Pius XII. Its Hermit who seems to have problems with the faith.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”

Prepare for Hermit coming after you with a vengeance for your words on the last part of your statement!:nope:

I’m a theology teacher and teach the History of the Church so I deal with his life every academic year. That’s why I know a lot about him. Also, he is my favorite Pope. Recently I went to a Vatican exhibition in San Diego and saw his white cassock, his papal ring, a short documentary showing his election March, 1939, his ceremonial slippers, etc. It was like touching history.

Antonio

 

[RobedWithLight]

Antonio B:

Also, he is my favorite Pope. Recently I went to a Vatican exhibition in San Diego and saw his white cassock, his papal ring, a short documentary showing his election March, 1939, his ceremonial slippers, etc. It was like touching history.

Antonio

Agreed. He is my favorite too, considering his impressive achievements in the face of immense adversity at the time, which would have overwhelmed any other Pope of lesser strength and character.

Gerry

 

[Antonio_B]

RobedWithLight:

Agreed. He is my favorite too, considering his impressive achievements in the face of immense adversity at the time, which would have overwhelmed any other Pope of lesser strength and character.

Gerry

You would love to see that exibit, unfortunately it ended Sept 15 and another one is not expected in years. Imagine seeing his cassock that he used so many times. Imagine seeing a beautiful box in which he kept the Eucharist while he was in the papal apartments. Pictures of his election, etc, etc. It really transported me to his pontificate.

Antonio

 

[Marines]

Quote:
Originally Posted by beng3000
*Pius XII is one great Pope. Anyone who could read Humani Generis at the right time is a genius!

He is a saint and I have no doubt about it. It’s just a matter of time until he’s canonized.

All those ignorant people who don’t know jack about Pius XII keep spouting some false accusation triggered by a theatric play to undermine the Supreme Pontiff.*

In full agreement but I don’t think his canonization will take place during this Pontificate. Too much politics has served as an obstruction to his beatification. This saddens me to no end.

Agreed. IMHO, I think Pius XII was one of the best popes who ever lived. In addition to the aid he provided to the Jews, his opposition to Communism, he was also very much against introducing a new Mass( the Novus Ordo).

• Joe

 

[bones_IV]

October 8, 2004 07:34 AMMalachi4UNot all Jews are upset with Pope Pius XII. As a matter a fact he recieved awards and recognition from many Jewish organizations.

Sometimes our medea just covers the bad news and we assume nothing but bad things as a result. We live in a protestant country with numerous anti-Catholics and an enourmous amount of false anti-Catholic material being spewed out. Our media is also made up of mostly liberal protestants. Some reporters now invent news or fail to verify or fact check stories - remember Dan Rather and CBS news?

Rabbi Zolli (sp?), the cheif Rabbi in Rome during WWII, converted to Catholicism after the war and praised the Pope for all he had done and sacraficed. The Vatican was bankrupt after the war and did everything it could to help the Jews. The Pope even sent word to the Allies where the Germans would invade France but the protestant Allies failled to believe the Pope, one of them Catholics you know, since they did not think he would have truthfull information. The German staff stopped giving information on such high matters and risking their life’s when the Allies failled to listen.

6 Million Jews did in concentration camps. 3.5 million Catholics died with the Jews in concentration camps. Hitler began to kill and hunt Catholics right along with the Jews. Hitler was not just trying to destroy the Jewish religion but also the Catholic religion. You don’t see the Catholic death toll in our news either do you? Catholic Churches were raided and members killed because they were safe houses for Jews!

The Pope risked everything for the Jews. Our liberal protestant news media just fails to recognize his great accomplishments. The Pope had no Army, just the word of God to spread. Gods word won

Malachi4u,
Would you kindly explain what you mean by Dan Rather and CBS inventing news. That one sounds like news to me. I’m interested in knowing about this. thanks!

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”

 

[bones_IV]

Malachi4U:

Not all Jews are upset with Pope Pius XII. As a matter a fact he recieved awards and recognition from many Jewish organizations.

Sometimes our medea just covers the bad news and we assume nothing but bad things as a result. We live in a protestant country with numerous anti-Catholics and an enourmous amount of false anti-Catholic material being spewed out. Our media is also made up of mostly liberal protestants. Some reporters now invent news or fail to verify or fact check stories - remember Dan Rather and CBS news?

Rabbi Zolli (sp?), the cheif Rabbi in Rome during WWII, converted to Catholicism after the war and praised the Pope for all he had done and sacraficed. The Vatican was b…ankrupt after the war and did everything it could to help the Jews. The Pope even sent word to the Allies where the Germans would invade France but the protestant Allies failled to believe the Pope, one of them Catholics you know, since they did not think he would have truthfull information. The German staff stopped giving information on such high matters and risking their life’s when the Allies failled to listen.

6 Million Jews did in concentration camps. 3.5 million Catholics died with the Jews in concentration camps. Hitler began to kill and hunt Catholics right along with the Jews. Hitler was not just trying to destroy the Jewish religion but also the Catholic religion. You don’t see the Catholic death toll in our news either do you? Catholic Churches were raided and members killed because they were safe houses for Jews!

The Pope risked everything for the Jews. Our liberal protestant news media just fails to recognize his great accomplishments. The Pope had no Army, just the word of God to spread. Gods word won.

Malachi4U,
What is it exactly that Dan Rather did anyway? Just out of curiousity.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”

 

[HagiaSophia]

hermit:

Regardless of what Pius XII may or may not have done, his works pale in comparison to those of Angelo Rancalli (John XXIII) when he was papal nuncio.

Let’s give credit where credit is due.

But it is John himself who tells us that all he did was done with the knowledge and permission of Pacelli.

 

[HagiaSophia]

RobedWithLight:

That is right. In addition, Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi was the finest exposition on the profound teaching of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ, which I strongly recommend for every Catholic to read and study.

How sad that some people, who never knew him or what he did, still had the audacity to slander him. .

Gerry

Pacelli was considered by many of his era the most brilliant statesman of his time. A fabulous intellect.

 

[Antonio_B]

HagiaSophia:

Pacelli was considered by many of his era the most brilliant statesman of his time. A fabulous intellect.

And tremendous holiness which I’m still waiting for the Church to recognize!

Antonio

 

[hermit]

Antonio

No I won’t go after him with a vengeance, people like that just aren’t worth it.

He should spend a little more time listening to Jesus “judge not lest ye be judged.” Some people need to learn the difference between piety and piosity.

 

[Antonio_B]

hermit:

Antonio

No I won’t go after him with a vengeance, people like that just aren’t worth it.

He should spend a little more time listening to Jesus “judge not lest ye be judged.” Some people need to learn the difference between piety and piosity.

Well!

Antonio

 

[bones_IV]

hermit:

Antonio

No I won’t go after him with a vengeance, people like that just aren’t worth it.

He should spend a little more time listening to Jesus “judge not lest ye be judged.” Some people need to learn the difference between piety and piosity.

Hermit,
I don’t understand what you said. Are you saying that Pius XII’s efforts are insignificant to John XXIII’s? I suggest you clarify what you said. I think your quite wrong. Pius XII ranks right up there with blessed John XXIII, St. Pius X, blessed Pius IX, St. Pius V, Innocent III, and so many others. It seems to me that from the first post, that you fail to recognize how significant Pius XII’s efforts really are. I think Pius XII is as every bit as good a pope as John XXIII. I’m not trying to attack you hermit. You first comment sure came off as sounding like Pius XII did little to help the jews. I strongly disagree with your statement that Pius XII’s efforts pale in comparison to John XXIII’s. Pius XII in my oppinion is one of the most active popes in history. And I think his efforts as Pope are equal to that of John XXIII’s as far as heroic deeds go. John XXIII did some heroic deeds I’m sure before he became pope as well as during his papacy. So in terms of heroic deeds Pius XII and John XXIII’s are equal. I not showing any partiality to either of these two popes. I’m reading the book “*Hitler, the war and the Pope.” *After reading that book you will see just how active Cardinal Pacelli was before he became Pope. This is my stance and I’m sticking with it! It seems to me that you need to give credit where credit is due. No disrespect to John XXIII intended. You just seem to over look Pius XII’s efforts is all I’m saying.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”

 

[rwoehmke]

Pius XII was pope during most of my younger years. He was an outstanding man of holiness and intellect. I just passed on a rosary blest by him to my daughter-in-law who has a strong devotion to Mary and the rosary. After having read some papal history and having lived through the popes since Pius XII my gratefulness is full because at least since Leo XIII we have been totally blest by God to have had the popes we have had in modern times.