Plain Catholics

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I’m annoyed when groups (excepting religious orders, etc.) set themselves apart and then wear the separateness like a badge. the tradly rads do this, copying amish attire seems more theatrical than a display of modesty. I live a modest life without looking like a civil war reenactor and drawing attention to myself.
From looking at just a few pictures you assume that all Plain Catholics wear Mennonite or Amish style clothing (and there is more diversity in those styles than you might think). Based on my correspondence with other Plain Catholics, only a few dress that way. Often because that’s how they’ve always dressed, and it fits in with where they live.

Most of us wear modest clothing that would look out of place at a nightclub, but otherwise is quite “normal.” With the exception of wearing a covering, which I adopted several years ago (and is not a kapp - you can see what I wear if you go to my face book page), I wear the same type of long skirts & modest blouses that I’ve been wearing for years.

I started becoming on-line friends with Plain Catholics because my lifestyle meshed so well with theirs. Plain Catholics are scattered - none live in my area - and are not an organized group. There is no leader, no headquarters, no office, no dues.

Plain Catholics are not insular. Many Plain Catholic women work outside the home, indeed, some are single moms working & raising their families. We discuss recipes, sewing, gardens, animals, children - all sorts of things - and we support one another in prayer. We live “in the world, but not of it.” (Can’t find the citation - perhaps I’m remembering it wrong?) While I am acquainted with many people of different religions - Buddhists, Calvinists, SDA, even Pagans - my closer friends are Catholic.
 
I think that we can all grow in simplicity. This group is able to live in a way that we city Catholics may not be able to do. Some families may be called to a more “cloistered” lifestyle; however it would be interesting to see how they are answering Jesus’s call to go out to all the world and preach the Gospel.
 
Some families may be called to a more “cloistered” lifestyle; however it would be interesting to see how they are answering Jesus’s call to go out to all the world and preach the Gospel.
You must not have read my last post. Plain Catholics are not cloistered. We do not keep to ourselves. I “go out to all the world and preach the Gospel” as best I can in my small, eclectic town. Many of the Plain Catholics I know don’t live in the country at all - they are in cities, suburbs, and small towns.
 
Well, Jesus said to take no thought for what we wear, and He didn’t command plainness at all - quite the opposite!
He said,
" Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?

I live in Pennsylvania, where there are a lot of (Anabaptist) Plain People, and in an effort to better understand my neighbors, I used to hang out on a Mennonite/Amish yahoo group. There was a woman who posted rather frequently, who claimed to be a plain Mennonite, but was nothing of the kind.
In reality she was a Catholic lady from south Georgia , and was the owner of the Yahoo group that started the whole Plain Catholic movement, “Catholic Covered Plain and Crunchy”, and she was on the Mennonite group posing as an Anabaptist in an effort to win converts to the Catholic Church.
She invited me to join her Yahoo group, and all went well for a while - we had some great discussions, and she taught that plainness was a “calling” or a “sacramental” and not a mandatory thing for everyone, but gradually the mindset of the yahoo group shifted. The group leader became more and more controllling, and the group started to adopt an “us vs. them” mindset, to the point where women who dress in regular, non-plain clothing were condemned as being immodest, and any disagreement with the group’s “party line” was quickly shut down. I was eventually banned from the group- it’s been a few years ago, but as I remember it, the reason I was finally kicked off was because I pointed out that shoes with slight heels were better for foot health than flats, which the group owner seemed to feel were more in keeping with feminine modesty. C’est la vie, and I’m glad I’m outta there! 🤷
 
As for the youtube video, it was posted by someone with the handle “1virgomaria”, who claims that plain Catholics are faithful to the teachings of the Magisterium, and explains that Plain Catholics renounce the “modern and sinful world for the Glory of God and the sanctification of souls”.
Funny thing is, the Magisterium has never taught that modernity is sinful…

And, 1virgomaria says that Plain Catholics may go to either Novis Ordo or the Tridentine Mass, but if you dig just a little deeper, a quick look at her other Youtube videos will turn up this one, which disparages the “New Mass” in favor of the “Latin Mass”:

youtube.com/user/1VirgoMaria?feature=watch

And then there’s this:
youtube.com/watch?v=qr4kysfoJ6o&list=UUPUBq03iMqXeWIlK9bTbV_g&index=12

The Magisterium doesn’t teach women shouldn’t wear pants, but I think I know who DOES teach that…

could it be… the SSPX???

:eek:

Now, people can be Plain if they want to be - there’s nothing in the Bible or in the Catechism that mandates plainness, and nothing that forbids it either, but the methods of the Plain Catholic movement seem to me to be a little bit less than honest, and they claim to be faithful to the teachings of the Magisterium, while teaching a lot of things that the Magisterium does not, which sends up a BIG red flag to me.
 
C’est la vie, and I’m glad I’m outta there! 🤷
For the record this is the same Cynthia Gee of Chambersburg, PA who is also an Episcopalian yet was in the Catholic group. When her postings became more and more disruptive and argumentative against the Catholic Church, she lost her posting privileges as the membership found her presence disrespectful.

She’s been grinding an ax about it ever since to the point of making up lies and posting them around the internet as retaliation for being moderated. She has a hostile agenda against Catholics in general and Plain Catholics in particular. Keep this in mind when you read her posts.
 
The group leader became more and more controllling, and the group started to adopt an “us vs. them” mindset, to the point where women who dress in regular, non-plain clothing were condemned as being immodest, and any disagreement with the group’s “party line” was quickly shut down.
I belong to that group & it is nothing like you have described - except for being Catholic. Many of us wear modest, non-Mennonite clothing & different types of modest clothing are discussed at times.
 
Yes, Maxfide, I am that same Cynthia Gee, and I am telling the TRUTH about the Plain Catholic group in question, and about its founder.
While I was a member of that list, I did NOT argue against the teachings of the Catholic Church. I did point out things like the fact that the Magisterium has never forbidden women to wear pants, or mandated that headcoverings be worn outside of church services, but I was finally kicked off the list for contradicting the list owner, which I did by pointing out that completely flat shoes can cause plantar fasciitis, and that podiatrists recommend shoes with a slight heel elevation, usually of about 1 -2 inches.

FYI, I have never lived in Chambersburg (I have lived in Waynesboro and in Shippensburg, which are nearby), and I was BORN and RAISED a Catholic and educated in both Catholic and public schools, up to and including earning a Bachelor’s degree from Benedictine College in Atchison, Kansas in 1980.

It is quite true that I was Episcopalian for over 20 years - I watched as the Episcopal Church went nuts and began ordaining women, and when they began ordaining non-celibate homosexuals as priests and as bishops, I knew it was long past time I got out of there. I explored various churches, and even considered joining one of the Anabaptist denominations, but thankfully, I returned to the Catholic Church several years ago.

Before reverting, I made no secret of the fact that I was an Episcopalian, either on your Plain Catholic list or anywhere else, because that wouldn’t be honest. This is something which Plain Catholics who pose as Mennonites to gain converts (as Joyce Laird did for years on several Amish and Mennonite yahoo groups) should consider; SSPX schismatics who pretend to be orthodox-believing Catholics on Youtube would do well to consider this also.
Gaining converts to the Church is well and good, but deception should not be a part of any Catholic apologist’s toolkit.
 
Moderators: Cynthia Gee was also in my Yahoo group as well as at least 2 others in addition to her claim of the Plain Catholic group. She was argumentative, disruptive and disrespectful of the Pope and his writings. She was put on moderation in all of those groups for her behaviors.

Now she has once again begun a crusade of vindictive libel against the Catholic Church and one of her charisms. She comes out of lurking mode every now and again to spew her hate agenda. Please remove her from this thread and the board.
 
Moderators: Cynthia Gee was also in my Yahoo group as well as at least 2 others in addition to her claim of the Plain Catholic group. She was argumentative, disruptive and disrespectful of the Pope and his writings. She was put on moderation in all of those groups for her behaviors.

Now she has once again begun a crusade of vindictive libel against the Catholic Church and one of her charisms. She comes out of lurking mode every now and again to spew her hate agenda. Please remove her from this thread and the board.
Max, it is true that I was on the Catholic Covered Plain and Crunchy group, though I don’t remember you from that list .When I was a member of CCP&C, the list was for women only. I was banned from that group for the reason I stated, but I have never been disrespectful of the Pope or his writings, nor do I know what these other groups are, that you claim I was a part of.

I did take the time to look up your other postings on THIS board, though, and it looks as though we are both pretty new here. Prior to this discussion, your comments here were limited to a thread from last February, entitled “The Blessed Virgin’s Guide to Catholic Modesty”, and you weren’t particularly nice, either, but as far as I know, nobody asked the moderator to remove you from the board or the thread.
I tell you what, though - it takes two to keep a fight going, so I’LL be the first to stop this nonsense. The truth of what I have said stands on its own, and I forgive you for the personal attacks, because that’s what Jesus says we should do.

Ciao…
 
I did point out things like the fact that the Magisterium has never forbidden women to wear pants, or mandated that headcoverings be worn outside of church services, but I was finally kicked off the list for contradicting the list owner, which I did by pointing out that completely flat shoes can cause plantar fasciitis, and that podiatrists recommend shoes with a slight heel elevation, usually of about 1 -2 inches.
No one on the CCPC group has ever claimed that the Church “mandated” skirts or coverings - either inside a church or at other times. Wearing them is completely voluntary. If you were arguing that we were wrong to wear skirts or coverings, then you didn’t belong in the group. The group is for women who WANT to wear skirts & cover & live simply.

The only discussion of shoes that I can recall was over 2 years ago. I remember it because I started it (talking about my orthopedic shoes) & I called them “old lady shoes.” I was gently reprimanded because I wasn’t being respectful to the elderly. :o
 
Please, let us have peace between each other.

How about discussing whether you see any benefit to simplifying life?

Being plain, is not just about clothing, it’s an attitude, a way of life.
 
No one on the CCPC group has ever claimed that the Church “mandated” skirts or coverings - either inside a church or at other times. Wearing them is completely voluntary. If you were arguing that we were wrong to wear skirts or coverings, then you didn’t belong in the group. The group is for women who WANT to wear skirts & cover & live simply.

The only discussion of shoes that I can recall was over 2 years ago. I remember it because I started it (talking about my orthopedic shoes) & I called them “old lady shoes.” I was gently reprimanded because I wasn’t being respectful to the elderly. :o
Bonnie, when I was a member of the CCPC group, I never said that anyone was wrong to wear skirts and coverings - I don’t veil, but I wear mostly skirts myself, and if I were of the opinion that veils, skirts, and such were wrong, I would never have joined the list. When I joined, I was told that the group believed that plainness was a charism, and not a necessity, and had the group really believed that, there would never have been a problem; as it was, though, when I was a member of the group, an ideology was being subtly promoted which held that folks who were not plain, who did not homeschool, or who preferred to attend Novus Ordo Masses were sinners, or at best, were a spiritually inferior sort of Catholic.

You say that in your experience, the group is not like that, and I hope that you are right. It may well be that things have changed on CCPC , but for much of the time that I was a member, the CCPC links page included a whole bunch of links to SSPX sites, sites which taught that skirts and coverings were mandatory. There were people on the list who claimed that ["]Padre Pio had ruled it is a sin for women to wear shorts or pants]("[A) or to fail to wear a headcovering at Mass; these same people also claimed that the Vatican had issued a “dress code” in 1930 that is still binding upon Catholics today:
“”[A] dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper" [Sacred Congregation of the Council (under Pope Pius XI), January 12, 1930]"

Many of the women on the list also claimed that they were 'persecuted" for choosing to veil at Mass or wear skirts, and, people being what they are, I don’t doubt that this did happen in some parishes, but many of those same women spoke very disparagingly of those who did not share their particular “charism”, and any dissent with their points of view or with the SSPX-ish teachings that I have described above was quickly suppressed. Dissent, however tactfully phrased, was viewed as a disrespectful attack upon women who choose to cover and/wear dresses only. I invite you to search the archives of the CCPC website, but you may or may not find the threads to which I am referring - often, when someone pointed out that women who did not share the call to plainness were not sinning by choosing to wear pants, makeup, heels, etc, the whole thread ended up being shut down and deleted from the list.
 
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