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No. Because rape victims should be able to take it in the ER without exception. There was a bill introduced last year that is trying to require any federally funded hospitals to educate rape victims about plan b, and to offer it to women who choose to take it. It’s a very important bill and I hope it passes into law.

The Church allows rape victims to take Plan B in the ER. But they require two things: 1) a negative pregnancy test, because of course, if you test positive, it wasn’t from that rape. and 2) a test to show ovulation hasn’t yet occured.
 
I agree with the Church.

It should only be taken when it is in case of rape, PROVIDED that a pregnancy test is taken, and it comes back NEGATIVE.

I still think it should be illegal,
I am very, very Pro-Life, NO EXCEPTIONS!
 
Rence said:
No. Because rape victims should be able to take it in the ER without exception. There was a bill introduced last year that is trying to require any federally funded hospitals to educate rape victims about plan b, and to offer it to women who choose to take it. It’s a very important bill and I hope it passes into law.

The Church allows rape victims to take Plan B in the ER. But they require two things: 1) a negative pregnancy test, because of course, if you test positive, it wasn’t from that rape. and 2) a test to show ovulation hasn’t yet occured.
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I’m not sure if you can say “The Church” allows it. So far, as far as I know, only the Connecticut Bishop’s seem to allow it.
 
Seatuck said:
I think that testing for pregnancy and for ovulation using ultrasound should be done prior to administration.
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A pregnancy test is done via urine test to determine if hCG is present, which would indicate pregnancy.

a Luteinizing Hormone urine dip test or a progesterone blood level test would indicate if ovulation has occurred.

Ultrasound isn’t usually done to confirm pregnancy in the ER, and ovulation is not tested via ultrasound.
 
Seatuck said:
I’m not sure if you can say “The Church” allows it. So far, as far as I know, only the Connecticut Bishop’s seem to allow it.
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The USCCB states:
A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization.

It also states, It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.19

The second part I disagree with, but that’s MOHO. I believe a rape victim should have access to plan b in the ER after a negative pregnancy test without exceptions. So I hope this bill passes to make it a requirement of hospitals (that receive any federal funds) to offer it to rape victims.
 
Rence said:
A pregnancy test is done via urine test to determine if hCG is present, which would indicate pregnancy.

a Luteinizing Hormone urine dip test or a progesterone blood level test would indicate if ovulation has occurred.

Ultrasound isn’t usually done to confirm pregnancy in the ER, and ovulation is not tested via ultrasound.
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I didn’t mean ultrasound to confirm pregnancy , only ovulation. An ultrasound would be more accurate. They are used all the time with infertility. You can see the follicles of the ovary. You can tell if ovulation occurred and make a good determination of how long ago or you can see if ovulation will occur soon. Blood tests are more accurate and sensitive than urine tests to determine pregnancy. When we are talking about the possibility of aborting life I think we should go for more accurate.
 
The fact that there is so much conflict within the Church regarding rape and contraception from priest to priest and bishop to bishop is a sign that plan B will always be legal, at the very least, in the case of rape. If the CC can’t get it together, how can they hope to enforce their views on the masses who don’t even care what they think and don’t accept their standards? 🤷
 
Rence said:
… enforce their views on the masses who don’t even care what they think and don’t accept their standards? 🤷
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Because that would mean that God is actually God of everything. How horrid that would be.

If he is not Lord of everything, he is not Lord at all.
 
Plan B and other contraceptives should be tolerated because there is no way to pass and enforce any law banning them while still respecting the democratic process.
 
KostyaJMJ said:
Plan B and other contraceptives should be tolerated because there is no way to pass and enforce any law banning them while still respecting the democratic process.
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It could be that I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think I agree. If by “tolerated” you mean “legal,” I disagree on legal principle. If by “tolerated” you mean that the Church should “look the other way” or “ignore” I disagree on an entire laundry list of principles.

And I don’t think it’s fair to lump Plan B - which in the spirit of this thread refers to emergency contraception after a rape - with other forms of contraception, which are typically used during consensual sex. That seems a bit off topic.

Pax,
OA
 
Orleans_Attny said:
It could be that I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think I agree. If by “tolerated” you mean “legal,” I disagree on legal principle. If by “tolerated” you mean that the Church should “look the other way” or “ignore” I disagree on an entire laundry list of principles.
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What I mean by “tolerate” is simply pick your battles wisely. Any attempt to ban any form of contraception would be political suicide and cause more harm than good. Plan B already is legal in the US and any attempt to criminalize it would simply be a Quixotic effort
Orleans_Attny said:
And I don’t think it’s fair to lump Plan B - which in the spirit of this thread refers to emergency contraception after a rape - with other forms of contraception, which are typically used during consensual sex. That seems a bit off topic.

Pax,
OA
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Not sure why it took that turn. The main use for Plan B is after consensual sex when you either didn’t use a contraceptive method or the one you used failed. It is available over the counter in just about any pharmacy not just Catholic hospitals after an ovulation test.
 
Orleans_Attny said:
And I don’t think it’s fair to lump Plan B - which in the spirit of this thread refers to emergency contraception after a rape - with other forms of contraception, which are typically used during consensual sex. That seems a bit off topic.
Pax,
OA
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It took that turn because it’s relevant to teachings of the Church. The Church, and the more traditional forum members, don’t see any difference in outcome whether sex is consensual or not. In addition, plan b along with other forms of contraception such as birth control pills, is considered one and the same from the standpoint of the Church, as well as many traditional members of the forum. Therefore it is relevant to this thread.

So when asked the question, “should plan b be legal?” on a Catholic forum one has to consider all uses of plan b and contraception because the CC lumps them together as the same.
 
KostyaJMJ said:
What I mean by “tolerate” is simply pick your battles wisely. Any attempt to ban any form of contraception would be political suicide and cause more harm than good. Plan B already is legal in the US and any attempt to criminalize it would simply be a Quixotic effort
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I agree with that.
KostyaJMJ said:
Not sure why it took that turn. The main use for Plan B is after consensual sex when you either didn’t use a contraceptive method or the one you used failed. It is available over the counter in just about any pharmacy not just Catholic hospitals after an ovulation test.
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All forms of birth control are as easy to get a hold of as skittles. You can even get them online and delivered to your home. If you can’t afford them, you can get them for free, and many insurance companies cover birth control pills, and sometimes other methods, in their policies.
 
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