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There, Lisa, you’ve made my point.

You automatically assume, because I question some of the arguments and methods used by Pro Life people, that I am Pro Choice.

Naturally, the baby ought to be considered, as well as the moral implications. Unfortunately, a lot of people simply don’t care about the babies and a lot of people aren’t convinced by the moral arguments.
There are many women who have an abortion and claim to feel no ill effects. They usually aren’t rendered sterile, they rarely die from the procedure, and they don’t live the rest of their lives in anguish. Telling them that they ought not to abort because it’s wrong doesn’t faze them.
This is highly frustrating, and so people start to make other claims that aren’t always true.
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No quite honestly you haven’t made ANY point. All you did was bring up a bunch of ridiculous statements that are supposedly characteristic of the pro-life movement, thereby belittling the whole group. There are nuts in EVERY movement. So again what is your point bringing up the nuts? Of course no one is convinced by them. I don’t see any such baloney in any of the prolife material I’ve received, read, seen on websites or in videos. You must run into some interesting folks in your travels is all I can say.

Until unborn babies are seen as human by all of us, abortion will continue. Killing humans is against the law in this country so that IMO is the key. Because there were many other groups that were previously not considered human (slaves, blacks, the mentally challenged, etc) who are now protected, I believe that the pro-life movement will eventually prevail.

Sorry but you made no points with me. Maybe you can explain more clearly for those of us who recognize baloney even when it’s out of the Oscar Mayer wrappers.

Lisa N
 
Attention, I am sorry I brought up China! I have given you the sources of where the information I stated came from.We need to get back to planned parenthood,the fact that they praise China’s population control is condemnation enough on the ideaology. If the sources that I have stated are wrong in regards to the consumption of embryos,great! Like I said previously I regret bringing it up.God Bless
 
Lisa, don’t feel bad! I’m sorry if I was too harsh or rude.

Several years ago (before 9-11-01) I got an email, a chain-letter, from someone telling me to write my congressman about the treatment of women in Ahganistan. It detailed all these outrageous and bizzare things that were done to women in that country. I thought “This can’t all be true! There must at least be some exageration!” So, I went and looked up more information. For once, the hysteria seemed perfectly well-justified. The information I got confirmed the email and even told of WORSE injustices. I was unable to comprehend such insanity, but I do know that such insanity does sometimes actually happen. Many people couldn’t believe the death camps in the Holocaust. They heard reports and rumors, but simply couldn’t comprehend it until they actually found the camps and saw the truth with their own eyes.

If I read in Time magazine that aborted fetuses were a delicacy in China, I would believe it, and I would be sickened and outraged. However, until I see it from a respected source, I’m just unable to buy it - even though I concede that unbelievably awful things do happen.

As for what other ridiculous claims have I heard from Pro Life people? Well, that abortion is more dangerous than childbirth. An early-term abortion is NOT particularly dangerous to the mother. It’s true that things do occassionally go wrong, but with far less frequency than deadly auto accidents on the freeway. I was also told that all over America, college-age boys were spiking girls’ drinks with the morning-after pill so she wouldn’t get pregnant. I’m sure such an idea could occurr to a guy, but I doubt it’s going on “all over America.” And, I’ve been told that women who abort invariably become suicidal and/or addicted to drugs. Many women have abortions and don’t feel much more than a sorta vague sadness and many also feel less than that. Lots and lots of perfectly normal, functioning women have abortions and go on to finish college, get married, and have kids. I would think that, if they never come to regret it, it is because they simply go their entire lives failing to recognize their mistake. I suppose that means that they eventually spend eternity in Hell.

But, a lot of people aren’t religious. They simply are unmoved by the argument that what they’re doing is horribly wrong. Telling them that something awful will happen to them just doesn’t do any good at all. Not only won’t they believe you, they will discredit everything you tell them.
 
Very well put Katybird. I agree.
I had an abortion when I was a teenager. I was reckless despite all my mom’s efforts to teach me right from wrong. I was at my worst when I got pregnant at age 17, gave her up for adoption, then 3 months later I was pregnant again and aborted the baby witht he help of that baby’s father. Obviously, I had serious problems - MANY problems. That’s another thread. I am very happy to be back in the church, a practicing catholic, happily married, and raising a growing family. I am still sad about the abortion, it makes me ill and brings me to tears even though I have been absolved - I need to work on forgiving myself. I am at complete peace with the adoption. BIG difference in those feelings…there’s an argument for pro-life…I am more saddened by losing the child I did not physically see…again, another thread.

As far as info on PP, they were clean, professional, and gave me free abortive birth control pills on my way out the back door.

I can sit here now and remember every detail of that summer afternoon 12 years ago. It was like being herded through a slaughterhouse by smiling liars.

It was in a converted house, very tastefully decorated.

It went like this:

You walk in past the protesters (who were very subdued and praying) I wish I had gone to them instead. Walk through the doors and it goes something like this:
  1. “Welcome” , pay here.
  2. Go see the counselor (ha!) for approximately 5 minutes
  3. Take your clothes off from the waist down, put on this gown
  4. Sit in this small waiting room and stare at 10 other girls “in line” while you wait your turn
  5. Stare at the other girls with sweaty palms as you hear the “easy listening” music and suction sounds through the adjoining door.
  6. Go in, lie on the table, laugh at the dr’s witty comments, listen to the music trying to mask the suction sounds.
  7. Get up, walk into the “recovery room”
  8. Lie down for 30 minutes
  9. Have a juice and a cracker and go out the back door, not through the front where the “new girls” are being counseled. We wouldn’t want them to see any girls upset or in pain.
They are liars and killers. And they smile the whole time.
 
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