Planning to Sin = No communion?

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If someone that has been denied the annulment (heard that there will be less annulments granted than in the past) is thinking and hoping to remarry , should this person not receive communion?

Granted they have not committed the act of sin… (assuming they are not having sexual relations) but are planning to remarry. Does the “planning” stage put them in the act of grave sin?

This is such an interesting topic. Its all too common – something so many catholics are dealing with every day.
 
Not sure I follow completely.

So I will answer in general.

But a person who is planning to do what is grave matter…(a mortal sin)…if such is done with full knowledge and deliberate consent …full consent…such can be thus already a mortal sin.

Mortal sin does not have to be carried to external action. One can commit a mortals interiorly …in ones thoughts…desires…choices…

As for dating a person who is “divorced” …remember the presumption is that they are married …and so one needs to act in accordance with this.

(though perhaps there can be cases where it will be a mere documentary process…but I will not advise here per se in this but…I simply note such…and leave the advise for those who are better fitted…)

Decrees of nullity are the result of truth finding investigation as to if the person was validly married etc…it is a question of truth. We must always conform to the truth with love.

If it has been found that the person is validly married …and the spouse has not left this world…then yes they should behave in faithfulness to that marriage (though perhaps there can be another look? I do not know such)…

Then they need to of course distinguish between a temptation to be unfaithful (enter into what will in the eyes of the secular law be a marriage but will not be one…) and consent to such temptation (interiorly)…

A person who has committed a mortal sin needs to repent and amend themselves and go to confession …before communion.

I know that such can be very difficult when things have broken down in ones marriage…such can be a struggle and a cross…God loves a person in such a situation and will help with grace …but in truth the way of life is worth it.

For it is* true life*.
 
Not sure I follow completely.

So I will answer in general.

But a person who is planning to do what is grave matter…(a mortal sin)…if such is done with full knowledge and deliberate consent …full consent…such can be thus already a mortal sin.

Mortal sin does not have to be carried to external action. One can commit a mortals interiorly …in ones thoughts…desires…choices…

As for dating a person who is “divorced” …remember the presumption is that they are married …and so one needs to act in accordance with this.

(though perhaps there can be cases where it will be a mere documentary process…but I will not advise here per se in this but…I simply note such…and leave the advise for those who are better fitted…)

Decrees of nullity are the result of truth finding investigation as to if the person was validly married etc…it is a question of truth. We must always conform to the truth with love.
Let me try to be more clear. Lets say my brother is planning to remarry but his annulment was denied. He would like to get married to this nice catholic girl, eventually. They are in the first stages of planning… (he is in no rush - he’s been married before and wants to marry the right person this time) Is he allowed to receive communion knowing full well he is planning to remarry?
 
Unless this person has actually set plans to remarry (or lusts, covets, etc), I think he is just longing for that kind of companionship he lost. But, as you describe in the post, “thinking and hoping” about a successful marriage is not necessarily a problem. Hopefully, such a person has the good sense to direct that concern to his relationship with God.
 
If someone that has been denied the annulment (heard that there will be less annulments granted than in the past) is thinking and hoping to remarry , should this person not receive communion?

Granted they have not committed the act of sin… (assuming they are not having sexual relations) but are planning to remarry. Does the “planning” stage put them in the act of grave sin?

This is such an interesting topic. Its all too common – something so many catholics are dealing with every day.
There is not a quota for how many annulments the church will grant. A decree of nullity is solely based on whether or not the marriage in question was sacramental. If the marriage was valid at the time it took place, any issue that came up during the marriage may be grounds for not living together, but not necessarily mean the marriage itself was not sacramental. I may not be using the exact canon terms, valid, licit, a sacrament, but I am trying to answer your question.

Both parties in a marriage must be free to marry.

No undue pressure from parents etc. No existing marriage.

You cannot marry if you are drunk or under the influence of drugs like meth.

Both parties must be open to having children. If a party never intends to have children and lied about it, that may be reason for an annulment.

So just say as a story, two adults fall in love and are married in the church. They have never been married before. They are both sober. They both really want to have kids together.

They have a couple of kids. The man loses his job, starts drinking all of the time and starts to hit his wife. This is obviously not good for the wife or the children.

The woman may move to safety. The woman may even obtain a civil divorce. The woman may petition for annulment and it could be denied because the church finds that before the life changing circumstances the marriage was valid, licit, sacramental.

What this means then is that the woman is still Catholic and can still receive all of the sacraments including Eucharist. It also means she should not re-marry.

There is a LOT of misunderstanding about the church teaching on marriage and decree of nullity and this post does not even begin to address all of the intricacies, but I am addressing the questions most often asked in RCIA class.
 
If someone that has been denied the annulment (heard that there will be less annulments granted than in the past) is thinking and hoping to remarry , should this person not receive communion?

Granted they have not committed the act of sin… (assuming they are not having sexual relations) but are planning to remarry. Does the “planning” stage put them in the act of grave sin?

This is such an interesting topic. Its all too common – something so many catholics are dealing with every day.
In what way shape or form is this person sinning, or preparing to sin, or planning to sin? There is no obligation for a person whose marriage has ended in civil divorce to seek an annulment, unless they are planning to remarry. If the person has actually applied for, gone through the entire process, and still been denied (your OP is contradictory on this point) then no, they are not free to marry. But hoping to someday have the situation to be resolved is not a sin.
Let me try to be more clear. Lets say my brother is planning to remarry but his annulment was denied. He would like to get married to this nice catholic girl, eventually. They are in the first stages of planning… (he is in no rush - he’s been married before and wants to marry the right person this time) Is he allowed to receive communion knowing full well he is planning to remarry?
the brother (not you, you have no horse in this race) needs to see his priest about his own personal situation. No right now he is not in any state of mortal sin based on facts you gave, but it is not your marriage, not your matter for confession, and not your conscience, so you don’t know all the facts. That is what pastors are for.

I fully expect this thread to follow pattern as OP changes the story with subsequent posts, and I predict less than one page before we are off topic entirely.
 
Let me try to be more clear. Lets say my brother is planning to remarry but his annulment was denied. He would like to get married to this nice catholic girl, eventually. They are in the first stages of planning… (he is in no rush - he’s been married before and wants to marry the right person this time) Is he allowed to receive communion knowing full well he is planning to remarry?
Presumably, he is withholding his unavailability from this poor girl because “nice Catholic” girls want a sacramental marriage (at the very least, guilty of deception - he may even be inducing this girl to sin). He needs to be honest with her. He also needs to be under the guidance of a priest so he can learn to live in his state in life since he is not free to marry.
 
Let me try to be more clear. Lets say my brother is planning to remarry but his annulment was denied. He would like to get married to this nice catholic girl, eventually. They are in the first stages of planning… (he is in no rush - he’s been married before and wants to marry the right person this time) Is he allowed to receive communion knowing full well he is planning to remarry?
If they found his marriage to be valid. Well they judged that the presumption that he is married is true. Then one needs to live accordingly.

Would it be ok for me …a married man…to plan to marry some girl I work with? To go out to the movies as a date and kiss her and make plans for the wedding? On say every Thursday?

And still go to communion???
 
Let me try to be more clear. Lets say my brother is planning to remarry but his annulment was denied. He would like to get married to this nice catholic girl, eventually. They are in the first stages of planning… (he is in no rush - he’s been married before and wants to marry the right person this time) Is he allowed to receive communion knowing full well he is planning to remarry?
If your brother’s annulment was denied, he will not be able to marry in the Catholic Church.
 
If someone that has been denied the annulment (heard that there will be less annulments granted than in the past) is thinking and hoping to remarry , should this person not receive communion?

Granted they have not committed the act of sin… (assuming they are not having sexual relations) but are planning to remarry. Does the “planning” stage put them in the act of grave sin?

This is such an interesting topic. Its all too common – something so many Catholics are dealing with every day.
If the ‘planning to remarry’ means that they appealed the rejection of the annulment and in case that the annulment will be granted they plan to remarry - then there is no sin at all. Neither is sin if they plan to marry in the event if the spouse of the married party dies.

If they plan to live together in adulterous relationship without the termination of the previous marriage by annulment or death: that plan in itself is objectively sin. Personally there may be mitigating circumstances, God does not want impossible things, but only the confessor can make worthy decision about it.
 
As I understand it, if he doesn’t have an annulment, then he is a married man and must act as one (no dating, no flirting, etc).

But if he has a civil divorce, and he wishes to change something that currently is simple friendship into something else (“dating” or marriage or whatever), then that wish is not sinful so long as it is not acted on (and not allowed to extend into lust) until and unless he recieves an annulment.

Again, any action that would be sinful for a married man is sinful for a civilly-divorced man without an annulment because he is still a married man. Presumably, this includes making wedding plans - it would be sinful for a person still happily living with his wife to do so, and the civil divorce doesn’t change much.

I would tend to think that making wedding plans while married is mortally sinful in most (or nearly all) cases, but you’d have to check and see which of the requirements applies to you. I’m fairly certain it is grave matter, at least.
 
(heard that there will be less annulments granted than in the past) is thinking and hoping to remarry , should this person not receive communion?
I don’t know if this is necessarily true but I have heard that it is much tougher to get an annulment if you’re already involved with a third party for that person has to be investigated as well. Not to mention that the former spouse might have appealed the annulment which would make it harder still.
 
As I understand it, if he doesn’t have an annulment, then he is a married man and must act as one (no dating, no flirting, etc).

But if he has a civil divorce, and he wishes to change something that currently is simple friendship into something else (“dating” or marriage or whatever), then that wish is not sinful so long as it is not acted on (and not allowed to extend into lust) until and unless he recieves an annulment.

Again, any action that would be sinful for a married man is sinful for a civilly-divorced man without an annulment because he is still a married man. Presumably, this includes making wedding plans - it would be sinful for a person still happily living with his wife to do so, and the civil divorce doesn’t change much.

I would tend to think that making wedding plans while married is mortally sinful in most (or nearly all) cases, but you’d have to check and see which of the requirements applies to you. I’m fairly certain it is grave matter, at least.
You understood exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for your response!
 
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