Please explain to me why gay marriage is wrong

[PennyinCanada]

And for all the haters out there: If you don’t like gay marriage, or think it’s wrong, don’t marry a gay person. Thank you very much.

peace and love to all.

People can disagree and not hate the person. A concept that hard to grasp, huh?

I thought like that too before I came into the Church that if you didn’t support Gay marriage you must haters. That just isn’t true. If I had 2 guys living beside (I do by the way) I would be a great neighbor. If they were in the hospital, I would shovel their walk or cut their grass. Take in their mail, keep an eye out when they are away. Water their flowers. I think they would call me a good neighbor. If they knew I was Catholic, I am not sure they would extend the same kindness. For that matter, in the workplace, I’ve been mistreated for being Catholic. I’ve experienced hate, made up stories, mean jokes, isolation, accusations. Wearing a cross can have the haters and bullies zero in on a person.

Do people hate gays? Yes. Are there bullies that pick on people? Absolutely. They would be different people if they learned to love their neighbors as themselves as scripture teaches us. Certainly there are Catholics who have room for improvement, me included.

 

[LJN21]

I can agree that Noah, Jonah and Lot and Sodom are all STORIES, I don’t believe they literally happened.

Even if the didn’t literally happen, they are in the Bible for a reason, the moral of the story is the point, regardless if how literal it is.

Marriage means different things to different people. Some marry for love, some marry for money, power, citizenship, benefits, you name it. But that fact that remains is that these people can marry, just as any 2 consenting adults should be able to marry.

Thus, in my personal opinion, and thankfully millions of millions like me, gay marriage is not wrong and will soon be legal in all 50 states.

And for all the haters out there: If you don’t like gay marriage, or think it’s wrong, don’t marry a gay person. Thank you very much.

peace and love to all.

The idea that the reasons for which someone gets married defines what a marriages is sound like a logical fallacy.

I have no problems with gay people getting married! However, most of them don’t want to have an exclusive sexual relationship with a the same member of the opposite sex till death do them part.

 

[Ositokc]

You realize this is a catholic thread, discussing church teaching and why we cannot disagree with such teaching and be catholic.

I would not expect you as a Buddhist to believe the bible, anymore than I would believe that Siddhārtha Gautama, is anything more than a mentally ill man or mythical person.

I am not here to argue just for the sake of causing trouble or chaos, I am expressing my personal opinion. This is an opinion that many Catholics actually agree with me on.

 

[cena]

I can agree that Noah, Jonah and Lot and Sodom are all STORIES, I don’t believe they literally happened.

Marriage means different things to different people. Some marry for love, some marry for money, power, citizenship, benefits, you name it. But that fact that remains is that these people can marry, just as any 2 consenting adults should be able to marry.

Thus, in my personal opinion, and thankfully millions of millions like me, gay marriage is not wrong and will soon be legal in all 50 states.

And for all the haters out there: If you don’t like gay marriage, or think it’s wrong, don’t marry a gay person. Thank you very much.

peace and love to all.

What if two adult siblings wanted to get married? What if a mom wanted to marry her son? Are we being intolerant by thinking that is wrong? No, because sexual relations is not part of their role for one another.

 

[Ositokc]

Even if the didn’t literally happen, they are in the Bible for a reason, the moral of the story is the point, regardless if how literal it is.

The idea that the reasons for which someone gets married defines what a marriages is sound like a logical fallacy.

I have no problems with gay people getting married! However, most of them don’t want to have an exclusive sexual relationship with a the same member of the opposite sex till death do them part.

Hello, I’m very happy you have no problems with gay people getting married, that’s great!

I DO have a problem with your next statement though. It makes absolutely ZERO sense? Explain please.

 

[Ositokc]

What if two adult siblings wanted to get married? What if a mom wanted to marry her son? Are we being intolerant by thinking that is wrong? No, because sexual relations is not part of their role for one another.

You’re not being intolerant, you’re just being very ignorant and facetious, just as anyone who tries to equate Gay Marriage with incest, beastiality, alcholism, marrying trees, inanimate objects, etc…

If you honestly can’t see a difference, well then

 

[cena]

Yes I believe God is love and that love is all that truly matters. I am not, however, blindyly loyal to any religion, even Buddhism. I am here to express my opinion and to try and open peoples’ minds a bit, just an inch, from whatever hateful brainwashing that has been forced upon them.

I believe it’s wrong to think any religion could never be wrong sometimes.

And I believe it’s even more wrong to justify hate or discrimination “in the name of God.”

That’s my opinion, of course I could be wrong. Now can YOU admit the Church could be wrong about Gay Marriage? Just maybe?

How convenient that as a Catholic you believe the Church is right about everything except this. That even though St. Paul(an apostle personally chosen by Jesus Christ himself) who was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write letters to different people (God knowing that billions of people would read them later) was right about everything he wrote except for this. (He condemned it in Romans 1)

Also St. Paul talked about it like it actually happened so maybe there is more historical background to it than you assume.

If God is love and God is against homosexuality then you can conclude that homosexuality is not love.

 

[cena]

You’re not being intolerant, you’re just being very ignorant and facetious, just as anyone who tries to equate Gay Marriage with incest, beastiality, alcholism, marrying trees, inanimate objects, etc…

If you honestly can’t see a difference, well then

You said that any consenting adults should be able to marry. No distinction.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Yes I believe God is love and that love is all that truly matters. I am not, however, blindyly loyal to any religion, even Buddhism. I am here to express my opinion and to try and open peoples’ minds a bit, just an inch, from whatever hateful brainwashing that has been forced upon them.

I believe it’s wrong to think any religion could never be wrong sometimes.

And I believe it’s even more wrong to justify hate or discrimination “in the name of God.”

That’s my opinion, of course I could be wrong. Now can YOU admit the Church could be wrong about Gay Marriage? Just maybe?

No I cannot admit the church could be wrong about this.

Here is why.

I believe there is one God who is THE truth.

He has revealed truth to the church through the prophets, Christ, the Apostles and their successors.

Truth is not relative so it doesn’t change with the wind.

The church is not a man made social gathering.

So if the church is Gods instrument on earth, then it cannot be wrong because God cannot be wrong.

The teaching on marriage and homosexuality is millennia old. If it’s wrong, it’s all wrong.

And let’s get something else straight. There is no hate.

It is not hateful to tell a person they cannot jaywalk. It’s equally in hateful to say gay people cannot marry.

 

[LJN21]

Hello, I’m very happy you have no problems with gay people getting married, that’s great!

I DO have a problem with your next statement though. It makes absolutely ZERO sense? Explain please.

It is not physical possible for two members of the same sex to contract a marriage with each other. They lack the natural complementarity sexual requirements. Sure they might do things that resemble the marriage act, but basic biology says they aren’t the same thing.

 

[Ositokc]

You said that any consenting adults should be able to marry. No distinction.

Ok, let me be distinct: 2 Consenting non directly related adults. better?

 

[Ositokc]

It is not physical possible for two members of the same sex to contract a marriage with each other. They lack the natural complementarity sexual requirements. Sure they might do things that resemble the marriage act, but basic biology says they aren’t the same thing.

Hi! I don’t want to get into semantics, but what about a paralyzed person who wants to marry someone else? A couple who wants to get married but cannot or does not want to have children, or even have sex of any kind? Should they be allowed to get married?

 

[InLight247]

I can agree that Noah, Jonah and Lot and Sodom are all STORIES, I don’t believe they literally happened.

Whether those things actually happened is not the point. The point is the Bible used those incidents to make a point, a moral teaching, a revelation of the truth, for all of us to follow and abide by.

 

[LJN21]

You’re not being intolerant, you’re just being very ignorant and facetious, just as anyone who tries to equate Gay Marriage with incest, beastiality, alcholism, marrying trees, inanimate objects, etc…

If you honestly can’t see a difference, well then

How do you not see the difference? What make the love of two men okay and not the love of a brother and sister? Or the love of me and my dog? If marriage is solely about love and commitment it sounds like your the one being intolerant and hateful.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Ok, let me be distinct: 2 Consenting non directly related adults. better?

Why does being unrelated matter? Especially in the case of homosexuality?

Invest can lead to birth defects, but that’s not the case with homosexuals…why shouldn’t two brothers be able to marry?

 

[Ositokc]

How convenient that as a Catholic you believe the Church is right about everything except this. That even though St. Paul(an apostle personally chosen by Jesus Christ himself) who was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write letters to different people (God knowing that billions of people would read them later) was right about everything he wrote except for this. (He condemned it in Romans 1)

Also St. Paul talked about it like it actually happened so maybe there is more historical background to it than you assume.

If God is love and God is against homosexuality then you can conclude that homosexuality is not love.

I never said the Church is right about everything except this. Perhaps they are wrong about lots of things? Masturbation? Birth Control? I do know a great majority of Catholics also see these as not wrong.

Also, I do think God is love and is NOT against homosexuality. So we can agree to disagree perhaps? It’s a simple matter of respecting our ideas. You can absolutely believe in anything you wish, but don’t use that to try and say Gay people should not be able to get married. Problem solved.

 

[cena]

Hi! I don’t want to get into semantics, but what about a paralyzed person who wants to marry someone else? A couple who wants to get married but cannot or does not want to have children, or even have sex of any kind? Should they be allowed to get married?

Someone who can’t have sex can’t get married in the church. The second one no too I think

 

[Boccherini]

I am an atheist but I am very skeptical about gay marriage.

One reason is that I see it as an attempt by gay people to pretend to be something they are not. In the future children will have to have it carefully explained to them that when two men claim to have children together it doesn’t mean at all the same thing as when a man and women have children.

Another thing is that this is something that 20 years ago nearly everyone would have thought was a ridiculous idea. Now you hear people say that everyone who is against it is a bigot. How did that happen?

I think when religious people give arguments for their positions they sometimes destroy their own relevance. If someone says he doesn’t believe in gay marriage because of the Bible, for example, they are just asking for someone to retort, “but you can’t impose your religion on other people, therefore we should have gay marriage, since we have separation of church and state.”

 

[Jon_S_1]

I never said the Church is right about everything except this. Perhaps they are wrong about lots of things? Masturbation? Birth Control? I do know a great majority of Catholics also see these as not wrong.

Also, I do think God is love and is NOT against homosexuality. So we can agree to disagree perhaps? It’s a simple matter of respecting our ideas. You can absolutely believe in anything you wish, but don’t use that to try and say Gay people should not be able to get married. Problem solved.

If my religion is not allowed to influence my political decision making then why is yours?

You can believe anything you wish, but don’t use that to try and say Gay people should be able to get married. problem solved.

See how that works, our “intolerance” of gay marriage is no different than your “intolerance” of Christian moral values.

 

[cena]

I never said the Church is right about everything except this. Perhaps they are wrong about lots of things? Masturbation? Birth Control? I do know a great majority of Catholics also see these as not wrong.

Also, I do think God is love and is NOT against homosexuality. So we can agree to disagree perhaps? It’s a simple matter of respecting our ideas. You can absolutely believe in anything you wish, but don’t use that to try and say Gay people should not be able to get married. Problem solved.

If you think these things are okay and the Church is wrong than you’re not really Catholic and why do you listen to any teachings if you think they are wrong? That does not make sense.

Just because they do not see it as wrong does not mean it is not wrong. For example, there are people in the Middle East using the Quran to justify raping Christian girls. They do not see at as wrong, but rape is still wrong. Not that masturbation and contraception are as bad as rape, I only used rape because there is no circumstance someone could justify it no matter how much of a relativist they are.

Gay people can not get married. Calling something marriage does not make it marriage.