Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church, and when...

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

That’s where you misunderstand: the Bible quoted is not opinion. The understanding of the meaning of those Bible verses are opinion. The key is - do we understand as God intended?

Thats correct… The meaning of those bible verses are YOUR opinion! :
Your opinion contradicts the teaching of the Catholic Church which has the authority
to interpret scripture which is the product of the Church…

Matthew

 

[Cinette]

The Christian church – 33 AD, Jesus Christ
This is the origin of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus.
The catholic (universal) church – 33 AD – 325 AD. The Ante-Nicene period.
As the Church grew and became universal it was called the Catholic Church
The “reformed” (my word) Catholic Church – 325 AD, Constantine

The Roman Catholic Church – 445 AD, Leo the Great

The official name of the Church is The Catholic Church - the Roman was a nickname given to us by the Anglicans.
*To my knowledge Constantine was an Arian and was later baptised a Catholic on his death bed. So how could he have reformed the Catholic Church? Besides, do you realise that you are calling Jesus a liar? That he abandoned His Church!

 

[Dokimas]

So what do you believe about all the diifferent claims of Holy Spirit guidance by so many different people? Please feel free to elaborate, one word ‘snap’ answers don’t share much.

Your question was a ‘yes or no’ question.

Any time a person claims they got info from the Holy Spirit I cringe. That opens them up for trouble if they’re wrong. If they really heard from the Holy Spirit, they don’t have to proclaim it.

It seems hypocritical to question another’s Church without revealing what Church you attend. What is the name of the Church you attend and does it have a website?

Thanks for calling me hypocritical. We go to Hope Community Church, Agawam, MA. Now you can attack with knowledge.

But when we call you on it the subject changes to ‘oh now call me anti’?

You say I’m anti-catholic and I am NOT. Disagreeing is not anti.

It’s really simple. Read the gospel of John, starting at chapter 13 and see who the audience is that Christ addresses until His arrest in the garden. It was the men He chose and appointed over His Church. The men He gave authority too. It was not the multitude. In my honest opinion, those who apply those things said to those men to themselves today are assuming an unrightful authority. Then the question is, is it following one’s own will or His will?

I think it’s simple yet people disagree, so it must not be as simple as we think.

It should always be about God’s will.

 

[Dokimas]

Thats correct… The meaning of those bible verses are YOUR opinion! :
Your opinion contradicts the teaching of the Catholic Church which has the authority
to interpret scripture which is the product of the Church…

Matthew

Does this mean I’ll be in hell unless I become a catholic?

 

[Nicea325]

Does this mean I’ll be in hell unless I become a catholic?

Not at all my friend. Only Grace Alone can save anyone. Being Catholic does not guarantee anyone a free ticket to Heaven and being Christian and simply believing is not enough for salvation.

 

[Brian_Culliton]

Thats correct… The meaning of those bible verses are YOUR opinion! :
Your opinion contradicts the teaching of the Catholic Church which has the authority
to interpret scripture which is the product of the Church…

Matthew

Has the Catholic Church officially interpreted all Scripture? If not, why?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Any time a person claims they got info from the Holy Spirit I cringe. That opens them up for trouble if they’re wrong. If they really heard from the Holy Spirit, they don’t have to proclaim it.

Who is your ‘interpreter’ of scriptures?

The Catholic Church claims interpretation of scriptures and Holy Spirit guidance, based on scriptures where Christ spoke to the men He chose and appointed over His Church.

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Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever

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Joh 14:26 But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.

Joh 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself: but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak. And the things that are to come, he shall shew you.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: because he shall receive of mine and shall shew it to you.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.**

These things, above, that Christ spoke, was only spoken to the men He chose and appointed. He did NOT say these things to the multitudes. What do you think the reasoning was for Him not speaking these things to the multitudes?

Thanks for calling me hypocritical. We go to Hope Community Church, Agawam, MA. Now you can attack with knowledge.

I did not call you hypocritical. I said it seems hypocritical to question another’s Church without revealing the Church you attend. Does your Church have a website?

You say I’m anti-catholic and I am NOT. Disagreeing is not anti.

Disagreeing is not ‘anti’, unless those disagreements come with condescending or sarcastic tones, or without explanations and documentation of one’s view. There are a lot of times people ‘disagree’ for what seems to be just for the sake of disagreeing with Catholicism.

I think it’s simple yet people disagree, so it must not be as simple as we think.

It should always be about God’s will.

It’s simple to read the gospel, truth, and see the audience Christ addressed.

The Church, built by Christ, and men of the Church, chose and appointed by Christ, are all about God’s will. I sincerely hope you’re not implying the Catholic Church is about anything else…

 

[GaryTaylor]

Has the Catholic Church officially interpreted all Scripture? If not, why?

“The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.”

Catholic.net - Catholics on the net

The Church remains faithful to the interpretation of “all the Scriptures” that Jesus gave both before and after his Passover: “Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” Jesus’ sufferings took their historical, concrete form from the fact that he was “rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes”, who handed “him to the Gentiles to be mocked and scourged and crucified”. – CCC 572

Here’s Jerome’s work of the Old Testament.

newadvent.org/cathen/08341a.htm

 

[Brian_Culliton]

“The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.”
Catholic.Net

The Church remains faithful to the interpretation of “all the Scriptures” that Jesus gave both before and after his Passover: “Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” Jesus’ sufferings took their historical, concrete form from the fact that he was “rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes”, who handed “him to the Gentiles to be mocked and scourged and crucified”. – CCC 572

newadvent.org/cathen/08341a.htm

The catechism says this:

100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him. (CCC)

So if you are reading your Bible at home and want to know how to interpret a passage, any passage, what do you do? Do you pick up the phone and call your bishop? Or is there a database somewhere, like on the internet, where one can go get the official interpretation?

How does it work?

 

[Cruxis117]

The catechism says this:

100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him. (CCC)

So if you are reading your Bible at home and want to know how to interpret a passage, any passage, what do you do? Do you pick up the phone and call your bishop? Or is there a database somewhere, like on the internet, where one can go get the official interpretation?

How does it work?

What this means is that, when you read the Sacred Scriptures (as we are commanded in the Second Vatican Council), you interpret the Scriptures in the light of the teachings that have been given to us from the Bishops, who recieved them from the Apostles.

 

[Dokimas]

Not at all my friend. Only Grace Alone can save anyone. Being Catholic does not guarantee anyone a free ticket to Heaven and being Christian and simply believing is not enough for salvation.

I haven’t seen you in a bit. Nice to see you, friend.

My questions was specifically to Matt because of his wording to me.

 

[Dokimas]

Who is your ‘interpreter’ of scriptures?

When I’m correct, the Holy Spirit. When I’m incorrect, myself.

These things, above, that Christ spoke, was only spoken to the men He chose and appointed. He did NOT say these things to the multitudes. What do you think the reasoning was for Him not speaking these things to the multitudes?

Didn’t Jesus teach His disciple to teach other what He told them?

Matthew 28:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

We need to be very careful when we say something Jesus told His disciples are not for the multitude.

I did not call you hypocritical. I said it seems hypocritical to question another’s Church without revealing the Church you attend. Does your Church have a website?

You call it tomato I call it tomato, I say you called what I do hypocritcal and you say no.

Disagreeing is not ‘anti’, unless those disagreements come with condescending or sarcastic tones, or without explanations and documentation of one’s view. There are a lot of times people ‘disagree’ for what seems to be just for the sake of disagreeing with Catholicism.

I am sarcastic some times. To my knowledge, I’m NEVER condescending. You are condescending at times. Does that mean you are anti-me?

How on earth can you make a claim highlighted in blue??

I DO NOT disagree with a catholic teaching just to disagree AND I’m NOT anti-catholic. I’d appreciate it if you’d stop making these false claims directly or by implication.

It’s simple to read the gospel, truth, and see the audience Christ addressed.

The Church, built by Christ, and men of the Church, chose and appointed by Christ, are all about God’s will. I sincerely hope you’re not implying the Catholic Church is about anything else…

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

When I’m correct, the Holy Spirit. When I’m incorrect, myself.

Please explain how you know where you’re correct and when you’re not? To be perfectly honest, it is very difficult to get a straightforward answer to a subject. It seems as if you’re avoiding the real discussion. You repeatedly disagree with Catholicism, implying it’s not lead by the Holy Spirit because it’s not correct, ‘in your honest opinion’. Now, ‘cat and mouse’, sometimes you’re correct and sometimes you’re not??? How do we know you’re not correct about your views on Catholicism??

Didn’t Jesus teach His disciple to teach other what He told them?

Yes and scriptures give examples of others being chosen and appointed into the Church. They even speak of the imposition of hands. What you will not find in scriptures is where anyone appointed themself or another without being appointed themself.

We need to be very careful when we say something Jesus told His disciples are not for the multitude.

Why? Christ built a Church, chose and appointed specific people. He did not ‘blanket’ appoint a multitude, at any given time. John tells us there were many things He did before His disciples, that are NOT written. But we can’t trust tradition can we?

How on earth can you make a claim highlighted in blue??

Dokimas, you have give many ‘snap’ answers, sometimes consisting of one word, void of any supporting documentation or any kind. Your opinion doesn’t stack up against the logic of scriptures and the early Church fathers. There are many conflicts. Look at the beginning of this post. You have been avoiding a ‘real’ discussion on whether or not the Holy Spirit can guide the ‘multitudes’ in all different directions and it still be truth.

I DO NOT disagree with a catholic teaching just to disagree AND I’m NOT anti-catholic. I’d appreciate it if you’d stop making these false claims directly or by implication.

It’s not just me. There are several posters who have noticed the same thing. I would really enjoy dropping this from the discussion. It seems you keep these topics in the discussion to avoid answering the questions about your ‘view/opinion’.

 

[Dokimas]

It’s not just me. There are several posters who have noticed the same thing. I would really enjoy dropping this from the discussion. It seems you keep these topics in the discussion to avoid answering the questions about your ‘view/opinion’.

Then is there anything else we can discuss?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Then is there anything else we can discuss?

Sure. Why not answer the question, how do you know when you’re correct and when you’re incorrect? You said, when you’re correct, it’s the Holy Spirit, when you’re incorrect, it’s you.

 

[Mikeoffaith]

I am told by non-Catholics that the Catholic Church, in communion with Rome, is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem. Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church in communion with Rome, and when, just as I have done below, regarding just a few of the very first reformed churches?

The Lutheran church – 1517 AD, founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church in communion with Rome.

The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD, founded by Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans.

The Mennonite church – 1525 AD, founded by Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptist chruch.

The Baptist church – 1606 AD, founded by John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites.

The Amish church – 1693 AD, founded by Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop.

The Anglican Church – 1534 AD, founded by King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon.

The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD, founded by John Knox, in Scotland.

The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD, founded by Robert Brown, in Holland.

The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies; an offshoot of the Church of England.

The Quakers - 1647 AD, founded by George Fox, in England.

The Methodist church – 1739 AD, founded by John and Charles Wesley, in England.

The Evangelical church – 1803 AD, founded by Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church.

The Mormon church – 1829 AD, (also call themselves “Latter Day Saints”) - was founded by Joseph Smith.

The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD, founded by William Miller.

Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1872 AD, founded by Charles Taze Russell.

Really Joe? How many times are you going to ask the same question? Here is my answer, the Roman Church was founded by Leo IX in 1054.

Oh and by the way, Luther was a FRIAR not a MONK. I would expect Roman Catholics to at least get that right.

 

[Mikeoffaith]

Interesting question Joe, which btw I have seen come up on another tread [possibly by you?]

Anyway, the response was…Silence?

Not to sound sarcastic but I would love to hear a logical response.

Actually Gary, the reason there is silence is probably everyone is sick to death of this exact same thread. Joe seems to have posted this exact same question nearly on a daily basis for the last 6 months. Perhaps that is why you have seen it before. If this were a court an objection would have been raised, “Asked and Answered” Just because Joe isn’t happy with the answer, and by asking it again and again he is going to get a different answer from people.

 

[PRmerger]

Has the Catholic Church officially interpreted all Scripture?

No, the CC has not officially interpreted all Scripture.

If not, why?

Because we are not people of the Book. Rather, we are people of the Word. The Divine Word made Flesh.

So there is no need to “officially interpret” all Scripture when we have the Word Made Flesh Himself.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Really Joe? How many times are you going to ask the same question? Here is my answer, the Roman Church was founded by Leo IX in 1054.

Oh and by the way, Luther was a FRIAR not a MONK. I would expect Roman Catholics to at least get that right.

Hey Mike,

Can you provide me the documentation where Martin Luther believed the Catholic Church was founded in 1054 please?

 

[PRmerger]

So if you are reading your Bible at home and want to know how to interpret a passage, any passage, what do you do? Do you pick up the phone and call your bishop? Or is there a database somewhere, like on the internet, where one can go get the official interpretation?

How does it work?

We interpret it through the lens of the faith with which these Scriptures were given: the Catholic faith.

Thus, if we read a verse in Scripture and interpret it to mean, “Huh, this verse says that there are many gods” and we know that the CC has proclaimed that there is only One God, then we must understand that our personal interpretation is incorrect.

You do this, too, Brian. For you really wouldn’t tell someone that he can read Scripture and come to any old interpretation that he feels, even if he claims that the Holy Spirit guided him, eh?