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I am told by non-Catholics that the Catholic Church, in communion with Rome, is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem. Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church in communion with Rome, and when, just as I have done below, regarding just a few of the very first reformed churches?

The Lutheran church – 1517 AD, founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church in communion with Rome.

The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD, founded by Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans.

The Mennonite church – 1525 AD, founded by Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptist chruch.

The Baptist church – 1606 AD, founded by John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites.

The Amish church – 1693 AD, founded by Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop.

The Anglican Church – 1534 AD, founded by King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon.

The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD, founded by John Knox, in Scotland.

The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD, founded by Robert Brown, in Holland.

The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies; an offshoot of the Church of England.

The Quakers - 1647 AD, founded by George Fox, in England.

The Methodist church – 1739 AD, founded by John and Charles Wesley, in England.

The Evangelical church – 1803 AD, founded by Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church.

The Mormon church – 1829 AD, (also call themselves “Latter Day Saints”) - was founded by Joseph Smith.

The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD, founded by William Miller.

Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1872 AD, founded by Charles Taze Russell.
 
joe370 said:
I am told by non-Catholics that the Catholic Church, in communion with Rome, is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem. Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church in communion with Rome, and when, just as I have done below, regarding just a few of the very first reformed churches?

The Lutheran church – 1517 AD, founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church in communion with Rome.

The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD, founded by Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans.

The Mennonite church – 1525 AD, founded by Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptist chruch.

The Baptist church – 1606 AD, founded by John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites.

The Amish church – 1693 AD, founded by Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop.

The Anglican Church – 1534 AD, founded by King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon.

The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD, founded by John Knox, in Scotland.

The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD, founded by Robert Brown, in Holland.

The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies; an offshoot of the Church of England.

The Quakers - 1647 AD, founded by George Fox, in England.

The Methodist church – 1739 AD, founded by John and Charles Wesley, in England.

The Evangelical church – 1803 AD, founded by Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church.

The Mormon church – 1829 AD, (also call themselves “Latter Day Saints”) - was founded by Joseph Smith.

The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD, founded by William Miller.

Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1872 AD, founded by Charles Taze Russell.
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The Catholic Church isn’t a reformed Church Jesus Christ is the founder. It was founded on Pentecost, see Acts2
Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
The Catholic Church isn’t a reformed Church Jesus Christ is the founder. It was founded on Pentecost, see Acts2
Peace, Carlan
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You are missing the point, Carlan. The OP is asking for those who believe it was NOT started by Jesus to provide the evidence of their claim.
 
Carlan said:
The Catholic Church isn’t a reformed Church Jesus Christ is the founder. It was founded on Pentecost, see Acts2
Peace, Carlan
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Perhaps you should read the OP again. I agree with you…
 
Interesting question Joe, which btw I have seen come up on another tread [possibly by you?]🤷

Anyway, the response was…Silence?😃

Not to sound sarcastic:eek: but I would love to hear a logical response.
 
Hmm- still no answers. Seems to be Christ and the Apostles. Survey says …
 
[Snarky Greek]Cardinal Humbert,of course, in 1054 AD.[/snarky Greek]
 
First to get it straight, I DON’T believe this myself but one of the more frequently used desperate answers to this question for some reason is “Constantine.” So let’s just get that one out of the way right off the bat. 😉
 
exoflare said:
First to get it straight, I DON’T believe this myself but one of the more frequently used desperate answers to this question for some reason is “Constantine.” So let’s just get that one out of the way right off the bat. 😉
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Constantine did not introduce any of the practices the Fundamentalists claim to have caused the Catholic Church to become apostate. The Jews already had saints (tzadikim), purgatory and prayer for the dead (mourner’s kaddish), etc. long before Christ. The Council of Nicea that Constantine called did not render any decision on the biblical canon, which was actually decided 60 years after he died.

All of the evidence indicates that the Jewish practices were labeled “pagan” and repudiated by Martin Luther, who also happened to repudiate all of Judaism.
 
exoflare said:
First to get it straight, I DON’T believe this myself but one of the more frequently used desperate answers to this question for some reason is “Constantine.” So let’s just get that one out of the way right off the bat. 😉
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Yeah, let’s get that one out of the way. I know of no one in the protestant sphere who is willing to suggest that Constantine was the founder of the Catholic Church, so we can move on…👍
 
joe370 said:
I am told by non-Catholics that the Catholic Church, in communion with Rome, is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem. Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church in communion with Rome, and when, just as I have done below, regarding just a few of the very first reformed churches?

The Lutheran church – 1517 AD, founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church in communion with Rome.

The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD, founded by Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans.

The Mennonite church – 1525 AD, founded by Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptist chruch.

The Baptist church – 1606 AD, founded by John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites.

The Amish church – 1693 AD, founded by Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop.

The Anglican Church – 1534 AD, founded by King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon.

The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD, founded by John Knox, in Scotland.

The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD, founded by Robert Brown, in Holland.

The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies; an offshoot of the Church of England.

The Quakers - 1647 AD, founded by George Fox, in England.

The Methodist church – 1739 AD, founded by John and Charles Wesley, in England.

The Evangelical church – 1803 AD, founded by Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church.

The Mormon church – 1829 AD, (also call themselves “Latter Day Saints”) - was founded by Joseph Smith.

The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD, founded by William Miller.

Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1872 AD, founded by Charles Taze Russell.
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O dearie me, not this list once again. The date for the Methodists is totally wrong - Wesley remained a loyal Anglican all his life.

But anyhow I don’t deny that Christ founded the Catholic Church (which encompasses all the denominations you list above) on or about Pentecost A.D. 33, and that the particular churches in communion with the Church of Rome (which was “founded” in A.D. 50 or so by St. Peter, so there!) are very much a part of it. But they are not the entire object by any means.
 
Bran_Stark said:
O dearie me, not this list once again. The date for the Methodists is totally wrong - Wesley remained a loyal Anglican all his life.
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Wesley remained a loyal Anglican even after they excommunicated him. And the Apostles of Jesus Christ remained loyal Jews all their lives even after the Sanhedrin excommunicated them.

That does not mean that Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism are the same interchangable religion.
But anyhow I don’t deny that Christ founded the Catholic Church (which encompasses all the denominations you list above) on or about Pentecost A.D. 33, and that the particular churches in communion with the Church of Rome (which was “founded” in A.D. 50 or so by St. Peter, so there!) are very much a part of it. But they are not the entire object by any means.
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Where did these churches get authority to repudiate (even in part) the teachings of the Catholic Church? Not from the Bible.

[BIBLEDRB]Eph 4:3-6[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Rom 16:17[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Cor 1:10[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Phil 2:2[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Rom 15:5[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Jn 17:17-23[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Bran_Stark said:
O dearie me, not this list once again. The date for the Methodists is totally wrong - Wesley remained a loyal Anglican all his life.

But anyhow I don’t deny that Christ founded the Catholic Church (which encompasses all the denominations you list above) on or about Pentecost A.D. 33, and that the particular churches in communion with the Church of Rome (which was “founded” in A.D. 50 or so by St. Peter, so there!) are very much a part of it. But they are not the entire object by any means.
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I simply cannot agree with you, for obvious chronological reasons, among others, but I do appreciate the feedback. 👍 If I am wrong please correct me. 👍 Who founded the Methodist church and when?
 
Cat_Herder said:
Where did these churches get authority to repudiate (even in part) the teachings of the Catholic Church? Not from the Bible.
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From nowhere, obviously. But sadly many denominations (including Rome) do so.
Cat_Herder said:
Wesley remained a loyal Anglican even after they excommunicated him.
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Wesley was excommunicated by the Church of England? Now that’s news to me. 🙂
joe370 said:
I simply cannot agree with you, for obvious chronological reasons, among others, but I do appreciate the feedback. 👍 If I am wrong please correct me. 👍 Who founded the Methodist church and when?
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Well Wesley died in 1791 or so, and shortly thereafter his disciples formally separated from the C of E. I’m not sure on the details.
 
Bran_Stark said:
From nowhere, obviously. But sadly many denominations (including Rome) do so.
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Jesus Christ made a promise which relates to this charge:

[BIBLEDRB]Mark 13:31[/BIBLEDRB]

Accordingly, there have been no lost Christian teachings. For you, that means that in order for you make your case, you have to show that (1) the (Roman) Catholic Church has abandoned or changed a teaching; (2) the some other church in existence at the same time kept the teaching in question; and (3) that the teaching is ancient in origin. If you cannot show this, then either Jesus is a liar or the (Roman) Catholic Church is innocent of your charge.

As I already mentioned, the most commonly cited agent (Constantine) and teachings (saints, purgatory) have Jewish origins and you will not find any Christian church which repudiated them until Luther.
 
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