Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church, and when...

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it is amazing to me how many people i run into with opposing views, both of which are so “clearly obvious”. As someone else noted, saying it doesn’t make it so.
But simply denying it makes it true?

Come on.

How do you know when an interpretation of scriptures is true or not? There are hundreds, if not thousands of denominations, with slight to great differences in interpretations. What makes the one you choose correct?
 
But simply denying it makes it true?

Come on.

How do you know when an interpretation of scriptures is true or not? There are hundreds, if not thousands of denominations, with slight to great differences in interpretations. What makes the one you choose correct?
How do you know? When the catechism says so? Because of your confidence in the succession of Peter?

I walk by faith brother, and so should all Christians. Faith in God, not a Church.
 
How do you know? When the catechism says so? Because of your confidence in the succession of Peter?

I walk by faith brother, and so should all Christians. Faith in God, not a Church.
Answering a question with a question is not really honest dialogue, in my honest opinion. Please provide a direct answer to a direct question. You want us to believe your interpretation is correct over all others. Tell us how you know.

I sincerely hope you’re not trying to say Catholic Christians do not work on faith, because we most certainly do. We do not limit our faith in God and His ability to build a Church and maintain that Church until the consummation of the world.
 
How do you know this very widely held belief is correct? It was not debated for over a thousand years…

Please don’t take an opportunity to throw out the ‘laundry list’ of objections you may have with the Church.

The afforded liberty you take, is it your will or His?
Sorry to offend.
 
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;7618170]Organizations aren’t part of the Body of Christ, people are.

I matters not who started individual churches. The key is the Gospel, is it preached and lived by the church members?

You’re welcome. God bless you.

As I mentioned before, the moderator warned us to stay focused on the original post, so, if you wouldn’t mind doing that, that would be much appreciated: would you please, out of respect for those of us who would like to keep this thread from being stopped by the moderator, give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church, (if not Jesus Christ) - and when, just as we can with every protestant church? I know it doesn’t matter to you but it is the only point of this thread. 👍
 
Answering a question with a question is not really honest dialogue, in my honest opinion. Please provide a direct answer to a direct question. You want us to believe your interpretation is correct over all others. Tell us how you know.

I sincerely hope you’re not trying to say Catholic Christians do not work on faith, because we most certainly do. We do not limit our faith in God and His ability to build a Church and maintain that Church until the consummation of the world.
Sigh. I do believe many Catholics have amazing faith.

I’ve already told you many times why i believe in a “universal chruch”. It is harmoneous with scripture. Yes, that is my opinion. You seem to think that this is a flawed approach. . .as if believing in something because it is harmoneous with the Catholic Church is better. Why would that be?

It is not my intention to get you to believe anything. it is not my issue. if God wants you to believe, He will show you in His time. In fact, it is others here that want me to believe in the succession of Peter, the necessity of 1 church, etc. That, in my opinion, has not been properly established as necessary. Certainly there is a historical Tradition for this belief, but that does not make it so. I believe scripture says a lot about erroneous traditions.
 
Sigh. I do believe many Catholics have amazing faith.

I’ve already told you many times why i believe in a “universal chruch”. It is harmoneous with scripture. Yes, that is my opinion. You seem to think that this is a flawed approach. . .as if believing in something because it is harmoneous with the Catholic Church is better. Why would that be?

It is not my intention to get you to believe anything. it is not my issue. if God wants you to believe, He will show you in His time. In fact, it is others here that want me to believe in the succession of Peter, the necessity of 1 church, etc. That, in my opinion, has not been properly established as necessary. Certainly there is a historical Tradition for this belief, but that does not make it so. I believe scripture says a lot about erroneous traditions.
Again, I sincerely hope you’re not inferring that God hasn’t shown me the way to His Church? I am a convert. I’ve been in your shoes. I asked many questions to hear, ‘That’s not important’. Just more avoidance of direct questions. So I read, reflected, pray and was lead to His Church.

Now, please tell us how you know when your belief is correct, or incorrect?
 
As I mentioned before, the moderator warned us to stay focused on the original post, so, if you wouldn’t mind doing that, that would be much appreciated: would you please, out of respect for those of us who would like to keep this thread from being stopped by the moderator, give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church, (if not Jesus Christ) - and when, just as we can with every protestant church? I know it doesn’t matter to you but it is the only point of this thread. 👍
This has already been done:

Regardless, the Eastern Orthodox have just as much right to call the Catholic Church a schism as the Catholics do to call the EO a schism. In fact, they do call your church the schism. So, to respond less “evasively” to the OP’s question, suppose I cite the year 1054, and the person of Pope Leo the IX. Refer to the East-West Schism of 1054.

It is terribly difficult to dodge this important historical schism of the “true church”, and the implications it has for your belief in the Catholic Church’s continuity, yet somehow the OP didn’t seem to list it.

It seems the response is: are you orthodox? no? well why are you bringing it up then?
 
Again, I sincerely hope you’re not inferring that God hasn’t shown me the way to His Church? I am a convert. I’ve been in your shoes. I asked many questions to hear, ‘That’s not important’. Just more avoidance of direct questions. So I read, reflected, pray and was lead to His Church.

Now, please tell us how you know when your belief is correct, or incorrect?
You worry too much about what I think about you. I don’t know you, I have no way of knowing. Since you seem to know me, what size are my shoes?

I’ve already answered your question. Twice, I believe.

Peace.
 
You worry too much about what I think about you. I don’t know you, I have no way of knowing. Since you seem to know me, what size are my shoes?

I’ve already answered your question. Twice, I believe.

Peace.
My care is how you think, and speak, of His Church here publically for all to see. You’re laughing out loud and playing games, with what appears to be no intention of answering the question. As I said, that speaks volumes here and is easy for people to see through. You can’t get anyone to follow your beliefs if you can’t tell them how you know when you’re correct or incorrect.
 
My care is how you think, and speak, of His Church here publically for all to see. You’re laughing out loud and playing games, with what appears to be no intention of answering the question. As I said, that speaks volumes here and is easy for people to see through. You can’t get anyone to follow your beliefs if you can’t tell them how you know when you’re correct or incorrect.
See post 788 and 798. I’ve answered your question and the OP’s question.

I’m not trying to get anyone to follow my beliefs.

To make it simple: I know it is correct when it is harmoneous with scripture. Why is that not acceptable?

Again, sorry to offend.
 
See post 788 and 798. I’ve answered your question and the OP’s question.

I’m not trying to get anyone to follow my beliefs.

Again, sorry to offend.
788 was my post. 798 is your answering questions with questions. I am the one who questions one who feels it necessary to bring up the schism and doesn’t belong to either. That has appearance of justification of hundreds or thousands of denominations, or it’s just a ‘tool’ to use against Catholics somehow.
 
freerf;7618216]I concede that the Catholic Church, in so far as it belongs to the universal church, was founded by Jesus Christ. I can’t put it more simply than that.
That was the conclusion I came to as a former non-Catholic; thanks for answering the question.
In fact, the greek orthodox have just as much claim to being the “true church” as the catholic church. They consider you guys the scism. How about that?
That is true; both can trace their lineage all the way back.
I see no reason to disprove something that was never successfully proven in the first place: that there is a necessity for 1 chosen earthly church, rather than a universal church of believers.
I’m not sure what you mean when you say, “I see no reason to disprove something that was never successfully proven in the first place,” but I thank you for responding directly to the my original question. 👍

God bless friend…
 
788 was my post. 798 is your answering questions with questions. I am the one who questions one who feels it necessary to bring up the schism and doesn’t belong to either. That has appearance of justification of hundreds or thousands of denominations, or it’s just a ‘tool’ to use against Catholics somehow.
788 is your post in which you copy my previous post which answers your question.

“feels it necessary to bring up a schism”? Did you read the OP? This is exactly what the OP asked for.

Peace.
 
I am told by non-Catholics that the Catholic Church, in communion with Rome, is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem. Please give me the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church in communion with Rome, and when, just as I have done below, regarding just a few of the very first reformed churches?

The Lutheran church – 1517 AD, founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church in communion with Rome.

The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD, founded by Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans.

The Mennonite church – 1525 AD, founded by Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptist chruch.

The Baptist church – 1606 AD, founded by John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites.

The Amish church – 1693 AD, founded by Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop.

The Anglican Church – 1534 AD, founded by King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon.

The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD, founded by John Knox, in Scotland.

The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD, founded by Robert Brown, in Holland.

The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies; an offshoot of the Church of England.

The Quakers - 1647 AD, founded by George Fox, in England.

The Methodist church – 1739 AD, founded by John and Charles Wesley, in England.

The Evangelical church – 1803 AD, founded by Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church.

The Mormon church – 1829 AD, (also call themselves “Latter Day Saints”) - was founded by Joseph Smith.

The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD, founded by William Miller.

Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1872 AD, founded by Charles Taze Russell.
The year 1054, by the person of Pope Leo the IX.
Refer to the East-West Schism of 1054.

In my opinion, the significance of this doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, but merely points to a resonable date at which one could say the Catholic Church was founded. Why is it not significant to me? Because i don’t believe in 1 church and the succession of Peter, but in a spiritual, universal church.
 
788 is your post in which you copy my previous post which answers your question.

“feels it necessary to bring up a schism”? Did you read the OP? This is exactly what the OP asked for.

Peace.
Actually, the op asked for the name of the man, or men, that founded the Catholic Church. We discussed the founding and I provided scriptures with an explanation. You denied that interpretation, but seem to be unwillling to share how you know when your interpretation is correct, or incorrect. That speaks for itself. I will not detract from the topic of the thread any longer. I’ve given you more than enough opportunties to tell us and it’s evident you’re not going to answer. :rolleyes:
 
I concede that the Catholic Church, in so far as it belongs to the universal church, was founded by Jesus Christ. I can’t put it more simply than that.
The year 1054, by the person of Pope Leo the IX.
Refer to the East-West Schism of 1054.

In my opinion, the significance of this doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, but merely points to a resonable date at which one could say the Catholic Church was founded. Why is it not significant to me? Because i don’t believe in 1 church and the succession of Peter, but in a spiritual, universal church.
Which is it?

St. Ignatius approximately 107AD
Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church
. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
 
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