Please help Australian Catholics

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I’m taking the previous post down, and I sincerely apologize if you were offended.
 
frobert said:
No matter what how often you say it or how loud you shout it, civil unions and civil marriage are not equal.
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I didn’t say they were.

No matter what, how often you say it or how loud you shout it, homosexual relationships are not marriage and are not equal to it. That’s not unjust discrimination, it’s basic biological reality.

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions” - G.K. Chesterton

The very term ‘marriage equality’ is itself a fallacy and a loaded question. Those who use it appeal to some objective standard of ‘equality’ when it comes to marriage. Yet it is very clear that a homosexual union and a heterosexual union are not equal, biology 101, the reproductive system. And it’s a loaded question, because anyone against it is accused of unjust discrimination.

The only reason government recognizes ‘marriage’ at all, is because of the reproductive system, the ability for men and women to create new life. We know that children are best raised with their loving biological mother and father, it is therefore incumbent on society to give unique status and encourage this union of man and woman to one another and to any children they produce together for the good of themselves and all society.

Homosexual couples have the right to live freely and order their Assets however they like, they don’t have the same rights as heterosexual couples do when it comes to children, as that would be unjust.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
it’s actually more of a “cross” to take up a position that is definitely not popular on this board, whether it’s about gay marriage, women priests, or anything else, than it would be for me to just go along with “the crowd”.
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It’s an anonymous forum board, so not really.

It’s more of a cross for those who are vilified and abused for saying no to same sex marriage in Australia and those like Archbishop Porteous dragged before an anti discrimination commission for teaching Catholic teaching on marriage and the family.

Furthermore, we are supposed to pick up our crosses and follow Christ, by publicly opposing Him, you are not carrying a cross for Christ and like I said, it’s an anonymous forum board so it’s hardly a cross and the worst thing I said was the “30 pieces of silver” bit and I think that’s very apt considering the treachery that is going to take place from a Catholic Priest who should know better.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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I’ll defer to this response.

I think Josh is better at this than I am.
 
Why do not Catholics in Australia campaign to ban all marriages other than those recognised by the Church? As these other marriages in Catholic eyes are not marriages, surely they are as ‘bad’ as gay marriage? And as so many more people are heterosexual, surely the number of sins committed by the impact of a law allowing immoral things will be much greater? All those divorced people etc.
 
What I think we need to do is get government out of the marriage business altogether. The whole point to government even being involved was to see that the state it was presiding over existed in a civilized manner from the rearing of children.

Long story short, governments are no longer capable of doing that, because in the end all government does mostly is mirror the culture.

People in general and especially government just can’t handle the responsiblity anymore, and the emphasis of secular marriage has long forgotten the interest of the child with bogus things like no-fault divorce and living together before marriage.

Marriage in the secular sense has gone from caring about families and children to the sexual pleasure of one’s so-called friends on Facebook who demand instant and automatic recognition and approval for whatever they do.

I’m not sure at any point in history people have been so insecure about their sex lives.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
He appears to agree with the doctrine of the Church but does not think it should be imposed on others outside the Church, including those who come from countries that have already legalized gay marriage.

From a legal perspective, it makes sense, although I know this is not what some Catholics want to hear.
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100%!!!

I am Australian, and I follow the exact same thought processes. :+1:t2:
 
But do you really think it will stop there? That’s what people in American thought until the gay rights activists (many of whom are straight) started trying to force Christian (not Muslim, of course) bakeries and florists to serve them.
 
LittleFlower said:
100%!!!

I am Australian, and I follow the exact same thought processes.
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It’s not a thought process at all, you’ve just found a way to publicly deny Christ while trying to deceive us that your not, but you clearly are. It’s really two faced.

No different to those who vote for abortion and euthanasia citing these exact same arguments, and then they pretend like they believe in the sanctity of life in accord with the Church. …What a joke.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and one the whole world.”
 
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we’ve lost the “same sex marriage battle”

done, finished

let us re-group & REJOIN IN OUR FIGHT TO PRESERVE THE LIVES OF THE INNOCENT UNBORN

we may be gaining some headway on that all important battle front…
 
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brian_custer said:
we’ve lost the “same sex marriage battle”

done, finished
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The vote has not even come back yet here and your already running to wave the white flag?
brian_custer said:
let us re-group
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If we have lost this battle as you claim, who exactly are you expecting to re-group with?
brian_custer said:
we may be gaining some headway on that all important battle front…
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The all important battle front is the battle for souls, the truth, which includes both the sanctity of life and the truth on marriage and the family, it includes all of it.

The Church did not declare defeat after Roe v Wade, instead we hold true, until one day the sanctity of life is returned to our nations, and while ever we have breath in our lungs, we never give up.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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josh987654321 said:
It’s not a thought process at all, you’ve just found a way to publicly deny Christ while trying to deceive us that your not, but you clearly are. It’s really two faced.
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I think not.

Religion and state should be separated. Divorce is allowed, why should same-sex couples be treated differently in the eyes of secular law?

No one is asking the Church to change its doctrine.
Tis_Bearself said:
it’s actually more of a “cross” to take up a position that is definitely not popular on this board, whether it’s about gay marriage, women priests, or anything else, than it would be for me to just go along with “the crowd”.
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Word!
 
i could care less about same sex marriage

secular laws will be changed to permit it; no matter what the voters say

if the populace votes against it; the Courts in australia (or wherever) will overrule,
 
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brian_custer said:
i could care less about same sex marriage

secular laws will be changed to permit it; no matter what the voters say

if the populace votes against it; the Courts in australia (or wherever) will overrule,
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Then it’s no different with any of the others. So the idea you pitched that we jettison this issue and regroup over another was something you didn’t even believe in the first place. The same philosophy has already set you up to jettison the next issue, and then the next one etc etc.

Not to mention, if we vote no and the courts overrule it, then it’s no longer a democracy, but a dictatorship.

God Bless

Josh
 
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LittleFlower said:
Religion and state should be separated.
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Like I said, same thing they say when it comes to abortion and euthanasia, then they front up to communion pretending like they agree with the Church and believe in the sanctity of life, hypocrites!
LittleFlower said:
No one is asking the Church to change its doctrine.
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Not yet… That’ll change when it becomes law and they have the numbers. Already pushing the Gender Theory program ‘Safe Schools’ (even the name is a huge deception designed to demonize) which teaches kids that the Churches teaching on marriage and the family is hateful, homophobic and bigoted.

I’m sure the Church will have a real smooth time when that generation comes through. ‘rolls eyes’
 
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Honestly, what you have written is disturbing.

If any Australian LGBTIQ* teens read this, they might be shocked. Any woman who has had an abortion, but now receives communion, would be shocked.

You do not convey an ounce of compassion towards those who carry a heavy cross with them on a daily basis and are still being ostracised, bullied, and discriminated against.

Pray the gay away doesn’t work.

The Church you form isn’t welcoming to those who need us most. This isn’t about changing the church doctrine, this is about creating a society where people aren’t driven to suicide because they feel different or have made perhaps the wrong choice once in their life.

This is an open forum, and if anyone reads these harmful words—which you deem as the truth—and hurts themselves, heaven forbid!

We do not stay relevant by being the biggest bully. We stay relevant by approaching those with the Good News and compassion.
 
I would suggest watching tonight, and hearing the arguments. I will put up a link for any interested foreigners later tonight.
 
We aren’t having a plebiscite. We are having some flaky, non beholden by law, non compulsory survey.

It ends on nov 7 .
 
No the Pope hasn’t. The biggest statement so far has been the Archbishop of Sydney in a recent Homily. And the Melbourne Archdiocese stating (Edited)

that dismissal of SSM employees will be left to the local Diocese level.
 
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