Please help Australian Catholics

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This post should not be flagged. Verdantly is saying thankyou and swapping pleasantries.

Was this flag a mistake? Hit flag instead of like?

I just gave it a like.
 
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I must have read it at the local level
The link I posted is directly from the Archdiocese’s website, where he clarifies this was never the case. He also speaks a great deal on compassion.

It’s a good read. I would recommend to go straight to a verified source, and not the newspapers.
 
Denis hart said it would be left to the local level, that’s the Arch Diocese’s stance , compared to the Arch Bishops alone stance. At the Diocese level , ie the local level , it’s been stated in no uncertain terms, already in certain Diocese.

As in, if an employee Pursues a SS marriage, if they decide to marry. The Catholic Church isn’t subject to the same discrimination law for employment.
I read about it in a Church flier.

Otherwise any woman wanting employment as a Priest or to enter a seminary , would have a case.

On compassion and your previous comments on abortion, a mission Priest over the past weekend said

We MUST have compassion for the mothers too. We aren’t Catholic without it. I thought that was really relevant.

Shock horror, he is a Jesuit
 
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No matter what, how often you say it or how loud you shout it, homosexual relationships are not marriage and are not equal to it. That’s not unjust discrimination, it’s basic biological reality.
No need to shout it. Marriage is defined by the state, at present 24 countries define marriage as a legal and civil right between two adults. Australia is likely to become the 25th country and others will follow. I have no problem respecting your church to define marriage the way it does just as I have no problem with Islamic countries that allow polygamous marriages.
 
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Marriage is defined by the state
Marriage is defined by God first and foremost!
Its good that you believe what your church believes. My church (UCC) and many other denominations and religions believe God blesses SSM.
 
Its good that you believe what your church believes. My church (UCC) and many other denominations and religions believe God blesses SSM.
Then you worship a false god made in your own image.
 
I haven’t lived in Australia for many years…but I think one of the main issues is that marriage in Australia is mandated by federal law as the union between a man and woman…so basically those who support SSM are wanting to change that law…so I suspect they won’t be happy even if they can have civil unions…if they can achieve that then the next step would be putting pressure on churches who refuse to marry them…Australia already has one of the lowest percentage of church attendance in the world…so maybe it doesn’t take much to picture a not to distant time when those supporters will not only gain a majority of support among the general population but politicians especially… even some churches who will accept SSM and allow them to marry…those who still oppose will come under increasing pressure from politicians because the law will have been re-defined.
 
My primary feelings toward Fr Frank Brennan is that of anger over such betrayal, and then terrible sadness, I will pray for him, the total corruption of the best is the absolute worst!

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
 
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No need to shout it. Marriage is defined by the state, at present 24 countries define marriage as a legal and civil right between two adults. Australia is likely to become the 25th country and others will follow. I have no problem respecting your church to define marriage the way it does just as I have no problem with Islamic countries that allow polygamous marriages.
I would be careful with using the “defined by the state” clause here, because all it takes is for the state to enshrine or define something you don’t like for that to be an issue. If you are in favor of something, then promote it on it’s own merits rather than rely on the state.

The UCC is against polygamous marriage, isn’t it?
 
I just loved how Glen Davies kept referring back to Jesus, answered every question well, refused to be drawn by Magda, and put her back in her box over 2 issues, the 1 million donation, and the incident with the Priest.

I can’t believe Frank Brennan tried to speak for Pope Francis. I hear his argument and don’t think he believes a civil marriage means anything. But to say the Pope supports Xu or z… I bet he is going to get a Holy Father ‘explain yourself’
 
I would be careful with using the “defined by the state” clause here, because all it takes is for the state to enshrine or define something you don’t like for that to be an issue.
I really like the reality that a person does not need to go to a church for a marriage license.
The UCC is against polygamous marriage, isn’t it?
Should the UCC be otherwise? I guess if you believe ssm and polygamy are the same you are likely to think that the the UCC should be for polygamy.
If you are in favor of something, then promote it on it’s own merits rather than rely on the state.
From what I have read, I believe the citizens of Australia are doing that very thing right now.
 
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The Marriage Act was amended in 2004, and only then did it include that a marriage was between a man and a woman. For the Wikipedia article, please click here.

Before that it was defined via common law.

Again, religion in state should be separate—what if the majority of religion changes to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Does that mean all our laws should change for it? I would think not.

We only want the law to reflect our religious views because, at least at the moment, we are still in the majority. It’s a better precedent to have the separate in case, as an example, Pastafarianism becomes the strong hold and there is no separation.

No one is dictating to the Church, on who they can refuse to marry. We should be advocating for stronger religious freedom than trying to get non-religious to abide by our worldview and faith.

Religious freedom is usually the first thing that is compromised on.
 
Honestly, what you have written is disturbing.
And you call yourself Catholic?
If any Australian LGBTIQ* teens read this, they might be shocked.
Why? Because the Church teaches marriage as between a man and a woman for the procreation and rearing of children and that the sexual acts of homosexuality (sodomy) is a sin?
Any woman who has had an abortion, but now receives communion, would be shocked.
Any woman who has killed or sadly been deceived or coerced into allowing her child(ren) to be killed and is not sorry or repented through the sacrament of confession should absolutely not be receiving communion.
Pray the gay away doesn’t work.
If you have read my posts you would know that I argue no such thing. Give into your every temptation and desire does not work either, and is certainly not Catholic, “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”
This isn’t about changing the church doctrine
Of course it is.
this is about creating a society where people aren’t driven to suicide because they feel different or have made perhaps the wrong choice once in their life.
Those who vote and advocate for same sex marriage, are not people who have made ‘a wrong choice once in their life’ they are people who are in protest to the teachings of Christ and His Church.

Like I said, no different to those Catholic politicians who vote and support abortion and euthanasia, then front up for communion claiming to be in agreement with the Church on the sanctity of life, Hypocrites!
This is an open forum, and if anyone reads these harmful words—which you deem as the truth—and hurts themselves, heaven forbid!
I have seen this kind of emotional blackmail used before in these debates, anyone who has actually read my posts or knows me personally knows what a lie this is.
We stay relevant by approaching those with the Good News and compassion.
You are in public protest and an enemy of the good news if you advocate and vote for same sex marriage.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
 
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And you call yourself Catholic?
Yes, actually. :+1:t2:
Why? Because the Church teaches marriage as between a man and a woman for the procreation and rearing of children and that the sexual acts of homosexuality (sodomy) is a sin?
No, because of the lack of fine feeling and compassion towards them as people.
Any woman who has killed or sadly been deceived or coerced into allowing her child(ren) to be killed and is not sorry or repented through the sacrament of confession should absolutely not be receiving communion.
I never said that they didn’t confess. I said that what you have written can cause many to feel ostracised.
Of course it is.
It is not about changing church doctrine. You are severely mislead if you believe so.
I have seen this kind of emotional blackmail used before in these debates, anyone who has actually read my posts or knows me personally knows what a lie this is.
Alas, we don’t know you personally. It isn’t emotional blackmail to state that what you have written could be harmful for those bearing heavy burdens as you are not writing in a dignified manner. You should probably have the Lifeline phone number under each of your posts.
You are in public protest and an enemy of the good news if you advocate and vote for same sex marria
Again, no.

Josh, COMPASSION! That is basically the keyword here!
All of us need consolation because no one is spared suffering, pain and misunderstanding. How much pain can be caused by a spiteful remark born of envy, jealousy or anger! What great suffering is caused by the experience of betrayal, violence and abandonment! How much sorrow in the face of the death of a loved one! And yet God is never far from us at these moments of sadness and trouble. A reassuring word, an embrace that makes us feel understood, a caress that makes us experience love, a prayer that makes us stronger… all these things express God’s closeness through the consolation offered by our brothers and sisters.
From Misericordia et misera #13
 
The Marriage Act was amended in 2004
To reinforce what was already and has always been understood and originally intended. Fortunately he was wise enough to see this revolution on marriage and the family coming on the horizon.
what if the majority of religion changes to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Does that mean all our laws should change for it?
Doesn’t matter whether they should or not, they will, we live in a democracy.
I would think not.
To think that once Christianity is done away with, those such as Islam or Atheistic Communist Governments will provide us with the same freedoms is terribly naïve.
Pastafarianism becomes the strong hold and there is no separation.
If pastafarianism becomes the stronghold, then they will be able to do what they like given a majority vote, and all your appeals to separation of Church and State and freedom of religion will be as worthless as the paper it’s written on unless pastafarianism calls for that itself like Christianity does.
No one is dictating to the Church, on who they can refuse to marry.
The very term ‘marriage equality’ is not only a fallacy, but a loaded question, which presupposes that the Church are unjustly discriminating (Hateful, homophobic and bigoted). Safe Schools will be rolled out even through Catholic Schools which will corrupt kids and teach them to hate the Church and her teachings. Good luck then.

“for the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
 
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The very term ‘marriage equality’ is not only a fallacy, but a loaded question, which presupposes that the Church are unjustly discriminating (Hateful, homophobic and bigoted). Safe Schools will be rolled out even through Catholic Schools which will corrupt kids and teach them to hate the Church and her teachings.
Honestly though, we are failing the flock (even as part of the flock) in more than one way. We are still reeling from the Royal Commission, we have a former Archbishop in front of the courts, and many are bewildered.

If people turn our backs on us, it is because of us. Our response to the world, our response to change—we haven’t been able to solidify ourselves in this world because of ourselves.

Blaming people who want to marry their partner, or Safe Schools, is the easy way out.
 
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