Please help! JW's have led me away!

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I am a catholic. I went to a Jesuit high school and nearly finished my degree at WSU. My life took a turn down a wrong track (drugs, prison, and pain). The last number of years I have rebuilt my life and have a deep awe for the divine as it was God that brought me out of that dark life. I met a woman 2 years ago. She is now my fiance and we lan to marry in June. She was raised in “the truth” (Jehovah’s Witness). She is on the fence about her faith and was never baptised. We started s study with a JW elder and his wife. We go to meetings, assemblies, and her family is just thrilled I am on my way to the truth. I am very confused! I have packed away my crucifix, stopped celebrating holidays,and study their NWT bible daily. I have been told my son will have to be removed from catholic school, and literature not approved will eventually need to be removed from my house. I was even guilted into shaving off my goatee! I need some serions help in redemption. My fiance is onthe fence so I may be able to hekp her too (I think). What can I do. They are taking over my entire life. I dont want to loose my fiance or make her family hate me. Where do I begin? The following subjects need some clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?), divinty of Christ, pagan rituals in the church, their translation of the bible, go to sleep when we die?, any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
 
I was raised jehovas witness and there are alot of good loving people there, but there are alot who are not. You should check out a website I found a while back it’s catholicxjw.com it really helped me to figure it out.The gentelman who runs it was a ministerial servant before he converted. I liked it because it’s very factual not slanderous.
I hope this will help you,And just remember follow your heart not what the congregation tells you.Because that’s where God is.
 
I am a catholic. I went to a Jesuit high school and nearly finished my degree at WSU. My life took a turn down a wrong track (drugs, prison, and pain). The last number of years I have rebuilt my life and have a deep awe for the divine as it was God that brought me out of that dark life. I met a woman 2 years ago. She is now my fiance and we lan to marry in June. She was raised in “the truth” (Jehovah’s Witness). She is on the fence about her faith and was never baptised. We started s study with a JW elder and his wife. We go to meetings, assemblies, and her family is just thrilled I am on my way to the truth. I am very confused! I have packed away my crucifix, stopped celebrating holidays,and study their NWT bible daily. I have been told my son will have to be removed from catholic school, and literature not approved will eventually need to be removed from my house. I was even guilted into shaving off my goatee! I need some serions help in redemption. My fiance is onthe fence so I may be able to hekp her too (I think). What can I do. They are taking over my entire life. I dont want to loose my fiance or make her family hate me. Where do I begin? The following subjects need some clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?), divinty of Christ, pagan rituals in the church, their translation of the bible, go to sleep when we die?, any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
Read this link:

catholic.com/library/Stumpers_for_Jehovah_Witnesse.asp

Then stop going to any JW service or have kingdom hall contacts stop, immediately and politely state to the JWs that you want to let things go slow, you want to examine yourself. They will shun you and say all things, but keep your faith and strength. Do not be swayed.

Go talk immediately to your parish priest, go to confession and receive holy communion and pray for strength.

The link given to you in post 2 is excellent.
 
Sounds like what you are describing is fact “CONTROL”:eek:

Who would tell someone to take a child out of Catholic School? Was you education terrible?
 
God to daily Mass if you can, and attend as many Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament as you are able. Rosaries, and Chaplets of Divine Mercy will help as well.

Put prayers first. Then you can use your intellect as the Lord lead you.

God bless,
 
I am sorry for your condition. For me, I believe you are the light to your fiance to the truth that you should brought on. To deny Jesus Christ as Lord God is the same to reject the salvation that He has given for us. You need lot of prayers and support from your family and your parish church. Maybe you need to do some research on your faith or your’s fiance faith. Why not try to convince in a good manner to your fiance about Catholic faith. These are the links that might help you:

catholicbible101.com/whostartedyourchurch.htm

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0302.htm

catholicquarter.com/blog/2010/10/08/answering-jehovahs-witnesses/

philvaz.com/apologetics/a3.htm

philvaz.com/apologetics/debate4.htm

philvaz.com/apologetics/apolog.htm

Remember to choose wisely. Loving involves sacrifices. Either to lost your fiance or Jesus Christ forever or to gain both of them. I leave it yo you to decide. May God through Jesus Christ bless you.
 
It is obvious that you are feeling overwhelmed and I agree with others who say you should politely “pull back”. Tell them that they have given you so much to digest that you need some time to consider, pray and “test” all that you have learned.
If they react negatively to this, you can be sure that tehy do not have your best interest at heart, but rather are interested in controlling you.

I likewise agree that it is important that you and your fiance get a “balanced” picture by studying with Catholics (your priest, deacon or other knowledgable person). This website will likewise be a profound resource for you.

For me the overriding issue and great comfort is the age of the Church. It’s tracability (warts and all) give me courage and comfort that she is right. In this I have found even greater comfort as I learn more about the EO church…The RC and EO churches are the oldest Christian groups, and neither teach the kinds of things that JW’s (with their “long history” of 100? Years) teach. 2000 years of Church teaching just can’t be beat…👍

Let us know how things are going…

Peace
James
 
**Pray **firstly - if you are feeling drawn back to the Church then God is trying to draw you back. St. John of the Cross says that “if you are seeking the Beloved then so much more is the Beloved seeking you”. He’s trying to bring you back, but you’re going to have to take a deep breath, put on the armour of God (ie. pray a lot) and be prepared to stick to your ground.

I had a clash with some JW’s before, and tried to argue against their false doctrines to convince them that what they believed in was a total misinterpretation of the Gospel - this idea of a stake is a mistranslation by one of their founders who had only studied Greek for a couple of years before deciding he was well equipped enough to translate the Bible. As is their belief that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. Their founders twisted the Truth and they vigorously defend this. Anyway, my advice is don’t even try to argue doctrines with the JW’s. You will only frustrate and confuse yourself even more, and as I discovered, they can become very hostile. You will need to sever links with them entirely, or they will think you can still be persuaded to go back to them.

Educate yourself on the Catholic Church - try and get the Compendium of the Catechism for example, read the Gospels - get an approved Bible from any good Catholic bookstore. Look on this forum in the apologetics section also - it’s brilliant.

As regards your fiance, this is the area where you will need the Holy Spirit’s guidance and your own judgement of the situation to decide what to do. Speak to her first anyway on your feelings, maybe even invite her to read the Catholic Catechism / Bible with you, but her conversion or otherwise will be her own decision in the end and you may end up losing her. The hostility she may face if she decides to convert may be much greater than any you will face.

Anyway, pray and pray some more. Ask the Holy Spirit for guidance.
 
Check out this link to Jason Evert’s book, Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses. It will address all these questions.

I will be praying for you!
 
That is a difficult thing You need to face. If she loves You,she will understand,and chose You. But You must get Your life in order now,start living a catholic life again,and today. There are “good” people among the JWs,but they are better Christians then JWs,so leave that group asap and confess to Your priest. I never comment other religions,but JW is far from any religion,so that is why I write what I write. I will remember You in my prayers. God bless You,son.
 
clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?),
Even if that were true, does it really change the facts of HIS death, if HE bled to death on a pole with HIS hands above HIS head, or if HE bled to death with arms outstretched??

The Romans hung the human body on crosses in scores of ways. This is just a side issue to decoy your faith by claiming to know more scripture than they do.
divinty of Christ,
John 1:1. The NWT uses “a god,” but the “a” is not in the Greek text, and no other Bible trnslates the verse this way. HE also said “I AM”, which is a title for GOD.
pagan rituals in the church,
I don’t know much on this one, will leave it to somebody else.
their translation of the bible,
Not a very good one, John 1:1 and at least one other place it is changed to accommodate their unique doctrines.

Their insistence that everybody use only the NWT is a control tactic. Everybody should be encouraged to use other versions to study the meaning of scriptures. Or, if possible, even learn Greek!🙂
go to sleep when we die?
Hogwash.

Luke 16:19-31. It isn’t a parable, since our LORD uses names (He never does elsewhere). If the “deceased” had no conscious mind, it wouldn’t even work as a parable.

Rev 6:9. The dead have consciousness and a body (they can wear white robes) and remember how they died.

If death is “sleep,” then it has some very vivid dreams!

2 Co 5, when we are “absent from the body” we are present with the LORD, you aren’t “with” someone if you are unconscious.

Sleep is used as a comforting metaphor for death in scripture because sleep is not sad or fearsome, and a dead body looks like a sleeping body. Also, Jewish religion in the OT didn’t say much about the human “afterlife.” But our LORD and HIS followers certainly did not expect to black out in death.
any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
Get a Catholic Bible. Resume confession and the sacraments. And befriend a priest who knows his stuff.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
pagan rituals in the church,
The “pagan rituals” thing is something that Catholics have been accused of from many sides and for many things.
Christmas is supposedly pagan…
Marian devotion is supposedly pagan…
Statues are supposedly “pagan idol worship”…
and so on…and so on… and so on…

To me this is like the “cross” issue. It is nothing more than a sidetrack…

Peace
James
 
Joberender, could the JW’s have been used by God to draw you back to the true Church?

Just come home. The light is on and Jesus waits for you.

I beg of you however, to resist having your children removed from Catholic school. Fight this. Please.

We will be praying.

-Tim-
 
One the greatest purposes of marriage is to help get each other to heaven. God has placed you in a position to do just that with your fiance. One of the most important part of prayer is listening. Pray to God for strength and discernment, and then listen.

You should be aware that the JW’s deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, our Savior. This alone should give you great pause. Do not allow them to get you caught up in their very strange and erroneous doctrines. Does it really matter, for instance, whether or not Jesus was crucified on a pole or a cross? In fact, the cross was the common means of punishing criminals by the Romans. Jesus himself said “take up your cross daily and follow me”. The point is He gave His life for you so that you could spend eternity with him, and that is what is important, not the manner in which he was crucified. They use meaningless distractions such as this to confuse you. As for pagan rituals, you may want to point out that the wedding rings they are wearing are pagan in origin also.

Bottom line, this is a cult by anyone’s definition but their own. If they were for real, they would encourage you to search deeply, take your time, and not make a commitment until you were certain that you had satisfied yourself as to their authenticity. That is what the Catholic Church does and why it takes a year or two of study before the Church will bring you into full communion. If you are not sure they would advise you to wait until you were.

God bless you.
 
I am a catholic. I went to a Jesuit high school and nearly finished my degree at WSU. My life took a turn down a wrong track (drugs, prison, and pain). The last number of years I have rebuilt my life and have a deep awe for the divine as it was God that brought me out of that dark life. I met a woman 2 years ago. She is now my fiance and we lan to marry in June. She was raised in “the truth” (Jehovah’s Witness). She is on the fence about her faith and was never baptised. We started s study with a JW elder and his wife. We go to meetings, assemblies, and her family is just thrilled I am on my way to the truth. I am very confused! I have packed away my crucifix, stopped celebrating holidays,and study their NWT bible daily. I have been told my son will have to be removed from catholic school, and literature not approved will eventually need to be removed from my house. I was even guilted into shaving off my goatee! I need some serions help in redemption. My fiance is onthe fence so I may be able to hekp her too (I think). What can I do. They are taking over my entire life. I dont want to loose my fiance or make her family hate me. Where do I begin? The following subjects need some clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?), divinty of Christ, pagan rituals in the church, their translation of the bible, go to sleep when we die?, any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
Aside from all the doctrinal issues my dear brother. Are you willing to cede so much control to another? for what? A woman? Honestly, you will probably never get her to convert. That is the Holy Spirits job. You dont sound very happy, and I would never give this much control to anyone…It gauls my libertarian spirit just reading your post! LOL! Christ said his commands are not burdensome. That we are to love God above all, and our neighbor as ourselves. He gave us the way to his kingdom. His precious body and blood, and His Church. I know you know this. I will lift you up in prayer. Trust me, break ups are hard, but living with fear of what others think, or fear of being alone, is much harder. Plenty of wonderful Catholic women out there, who need a decent guy. Peace and prayers for you. 🙂
 
oh, and please feel free to grow back your goatee at any time. forget them, if they cannot take a joke…shave the goatee? seriously? Its bad enough in the military having short hair and no beard. Im growing both back when I get out. go for it! 👍
 
I am a catholic. I went to a Jesuit high school and nearly finished my degree at WSU. My life took a turn down a wrong track (drugs, prison, and pain). The last number of years I have rebuilt my life and have a deep awe for the divine as it was God that brought me out of that dark life. I met a woman 2 years ago. She is now my fiance and we lan to marry in June.
Good for you.

She was raised in “the truth” (Jehovah’s Witness).

The truth? All it itakes is minimal effort and time to read what they believe and teach and realize it is anything,but the TRUTH! Jesus a perfect creature who also saves? I thought only God alone can save?
She is on the fence about her faith and was never baptised. We started s study with a JW elder and his wife. We go to meetings, assemblies, and her family is just thrilled I am on my way to the truth.
More on the lines of darkness and lies. JW’s do not teach the truth,but a distorted 19th century version of their truth.
I am very confused! I have packed away my crucifix, stopped celebrating holidays,and study their NWT bible daily.
The NWT? A horrible translation and do not buy into their ‘proof’ which supports the NWT as highly admired by scholars.
I have been told my son will have to be removed from catholic school, and literature not approved will eventually need to be removed from my house.
Typical of many cults. It is called mind-control and read the signs.
I was even guilted into shaving off my goatee!
See my point about mind-control? What does your goatee have to do with your salvation? Did Peter shave every morning with his Gillette razor?
I need some serions help in redemption. My fiance is onthe fence so I may be able to hekp her too (I think). What can I do.
Learn your Catholic faith and what accurate historical Christianity has always taught and believed long before the JW’s even arrived with their unorthodox beliefs about who Jesus truly is.
They are taking over my entire life.
Because you are allowing yourself. No offense,but JW’s usually like to go after people with troubled back grounds or unstable lives. The weak-minded and those with no self-will.
I dont want to loose my fiance or make her family hate me. Where do I begin?
Go speak to your local deacon,priest or your son’s Catholic School Principal or a teacher.
The following subjects need some clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?),
Pagan symbol? Yes the cross was invented by pagans,but if it is so wrong,then why did Jesus die on it for our redemption? Jesus died on a stake? In the early Church it was the T-shaped cross that was designated by *stauros *in Greek and by crux in Latin. The evidence for this is abundant and can be found in several areas of study–history, archaeology, art, patrology, liturgical tradition, etymology, paleography, and the New Testament itself.
divinty of Christ,
John 10:30: “I and the Father are one.” Or, “He who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). Or, “All that the Father has is mine” (John 16:15). Or, “The Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:18). Or, “[Jesus], though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be g.asped” (Phil. 2:6). These seem to contradict the other verses.

Keep in mind that Jesus is both God and man. Some verses, such as these last five, refer exclusively to his Godhead. Others refer to his humanity. So far as he is God, Jesus is equal to the Father.
pagan rituals in the church,
Tell them to list them? Ask then if the Jews are pagans too,since the Ark of Convenant was made similar to the Egyptian arks?
their translation of the bible,
Poorly translated and written to support their kooky beliefs.
go to sleep when we die?
If their theory were true and there were no soul which survives death, it is difficult to see why the re-created “you” is not just a copy of you. It may have all your memories, but it is hard to see why it is not just a copy. If God had created this copy while you still existed, the fact it is a copy rather than the real you would be obvious.

If it is a copy, that causes problems of justice. Because you ceased to exist, you–the real you–were never punished for your sins or rewarded for your good deeds; you simply ceased to exist. Similarly, the copy of you which was created on the Last Day is then punished or rewarded for things it never did.
any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
First step,stop going to their study groups and tell them you are not interested. Do not be afraid of their guilt trips or remarks.
 
I am a catholic. I went to a Jesuit high school and nearly finished my degree at WSU. My life took a turn down a wrong track (drugs, prison, and pain). The last number of years I have rebuilt my life and have a deep awe for the divine as it was God that brought me out of that dark life. I met a woman 2 years ago. She is now my fiance and we lan to marry in June. She was raised in “the truth” (Jehovah’s Witness). She is on the fence about her faith and was never baptised. We started s study with a JW elder and his wife. We go to meetings, assemblies, and her family is just thrilled I am on my way to the truth. I am very confused! I have packed away my crucifix, stopped celebrating holidays,and study their NWT bible daily. I have been told my son will have to be removed from catholic school, and literature not approved will eventually need to be removed from my house. I was even guilted into shaving off my goatee! I need some serions help in redemption. My fiance is onthe fence so I may be able to hekp her too (I think). What can I do. They are taking over my entire life. I dont want to loose my fiance or make her family hate me. Where do I begin? The following subjects need some clarification: cross as pagan symbol (Christ died an a stake?), divinity of Christ, pagan rituals in the church, their translation of the bible, go to sleep when we die?, any other questions they giveto lead others to their way. What is the truth about those subjects and how can I defend myself. How can I be led back and bring my fiance to the real church? There are three souls at stake here
Oh Lord PLEASE help this person! :crossrc:

At least you have realized it before you are completely gone.

First of all, instead of going to THEIR bible study. Go to a Catholic bible study! The reason why protestants exist is because they didn’t understand the bible or didn’t like it, and they just left:they didn’t even try to find out the truth!

My advice to you: authority.

When was their church built and by who? ANSWER: 1870s by Charles Russel in Pennsylvania. This is a baby religion. Founded in the past century. and they say Catholics got their bibles from the Jehovah’s witnesses… Umm, NO.

Where were the Jehovah’s Witnesses before?

Come on my brother in Christ. Find the truth.

Some people are harsh here on Catholic.com. I hope I’m not one of them. ")

Little story for you:
My dad works in construction. One day a man started working near by. he kept asking the whole group: What do you guys think about God??? until he asked my dad. The Guy was exactly like you. he was confused. His wife was already attending every week, etc. My dad said, when was their church built?? and he told the man I have some CDs and DVDs and books that you are welcome to to find that you are headed the wrong way. The man agreed. He admitted to my dad that he didn’t want to leave the catholic church, because he was born in it and he felt bad about it. My dad bought a bible for him at our nearby catholic library. and gave him books and everything. Ever since, the man has realized how wrong he was. His wife too. Every day after they eat they sit down and read the bible, he told this to my dad. This probably started a little after last summer. Now they go to Catholic Mass every Sunday and take part in the Holy Eucharist. They found the truth,. You can too. Don’t give up, and search for the truth.

Do you have a catholic catechism? bible? biblechristiansociety.com has freeeee resources. newsletters, debates, CDs and MP3 downloads. I got all the CDs for my mom in Spanish (though they have them in the original english too). She says they’re great! Try it out. ")

May God Almighty bless you and guide you to Him. Amen.

Please let me know if there’s anything you think I might be able to help you with.

(DIVINITY OF CHRIST: John 1. Read it. You’ll get your answer. The word is Jesus.)

I don’t see Jehovah;s Witnesses on the diagram, but it goes to show where all the churches came from and when… Its ridiculous.
 
divinty of Christ,
If you don’t have a regular bible (non-JW)

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1 2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

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He was in the beginning with God.
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3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be
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through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;
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4 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
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5 A man named John was sent from God.
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He came for testimony, 6 to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him.
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He was not the light(he was not Jesus but–>), but came to testify to the light.
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The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.(JEsus)
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He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him.
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He came to what was his own, but his own people 7 did not accept him.
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But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name,
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8 who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God.
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And the Word became flesh (THE WORD IS JESUS> JESUS IS GOD: WHO BECAME FLESH AND IS KNOWN AS THE SON OF GOD get it? ") )) 9 and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.
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10 John testified to him and cried out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘The one who is coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me.’”
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From his fullness we have all received, grace in place of grace, 11
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because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, 12 who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.

God Bless!
 
Just know that with jw’s your faith is not yours it is what the elders want it to be. And don’t tell anyone in the congregation about any doubts you’re having you will be exiled if it becomes public, and trust me it will.I speak from experiance. It’s not that everyone wants to gossip about things it’s the fact that the elders tell them it is wrong if they don’t speak out about other members.
I am praying for you and your family, this is a very hard thing to deal with but you will get through it.
 
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