The Jehovah’s Witnesses are perfectly at ease with the American Standard, NIV or King James Bibles. The attempt to modernize old scripture to current vernacular should not be construed to mean they have their OWN translation.
This is simply not true. They will initially be okay with using other versions when doing their door to door ministry, or in the early beginnings of a “bible study” (which is really more of a study of their literature than of the bible itself), but when the rubber hits the road, they will defer to their “version” as superior. They are okay with other bibles as long as they can control were the conversation goes so they can stick with the same dozen or so scriptures that seem to support,to the eyes of the uneducated, their position. They don’t even like using their own publications from years ago because of the conflicts it presents do their latest doctrines. I have had devout JW’s who are elders this very day who consider their own Kingdom Interlinear publication (printed in 1969 and revised in 1985) as something that should not be read! Since when did language change dramtically over the last 30-40 years?? Their “bible” is not the THE bible. I don’t mean this as mean spirited, but it’s twisted and disingenuous. The majority of them simply don’t know any better. Pray for them, they need our prayers.
My guess would be yes. He or she certainly speaks like one, but we could be wrong.Some times J.W.s go by the name of bible students, Millenial Dawn bible students etc. are you a J.W. my friend? Just curious. Peace
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This doesn’t even address the statement.
- JW’s are but a few hundred years old; founded not by God [not even “a god”] and there Book of wisdom is “of completely human origin.”
PAT - THERE IS NO SUCH THING A A BOOK OF WISDOM IN THE JW’S- If one actually takes time to read there monthly passouts; one quickly discovers an anti -Christian; and anti-Catholic slant.GREAT care must be taken when reading these monthly propaganda flyers, and they are not comepletely factual.
PAT - DO OTHER CHURCHES HAND OUT FLYERS - YES - READ SOME!
Ah, the “we are the most presecuted, so therefore we’re the truth” spin. JW’s have created their own persecution by inventing their own theology. Rutherford was a master of this.
- Like non-Catholic Christians; because they do not have the SINGULAR TRUTHS on Faith and Morals on there side; so they are forced to develope altrenative beliefs; which are geared to be “easier” and more secularly acceptable. This is why they [JW’] unlike the Protestants, who accept most of the Bible; JW’s deny the Divinity of Christ, deny the Trinity; deny ALL of the Sacraments; deny heaven and hell, and deny the ENTIRE BIBLE.
PAT - THE JW’s WAY OF LIFE IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN MAINSTREAM CHURCH. THEY ADHERE TO BIBLICAL TEACHINGS ON MORALITY AND DO NOT ACCEPT THE VIEW OF THE WORLD ON THINGS MANY CHURCHES EMBRACE OR IGNORE
Hundreds of years? Yeah, I was ignorant about this too before I did some reading. Your “historically documented” evidence? Produce it. In the mean time, try reading the early christian writings, aka, the early church fathers. They are actually mentioned by name in the “Insight to the Scriptures” (Volume 1 under the section “Canon”). Men such as Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus of Lyons, etc. I think you may be surprised what they believed, and they were taught by the apostles or taught by those that knew them. They were very “Catholic” and called the Church “Catholic”.
- The Catholic Church is the ONLY Christian Faith that dates back to the Time of Christ Visitation on earth. The Only Christian religion at the time the Bible was assembled, the NT written and it is the CC that gave the world the Bible.
PAT - I FEEL SORRY THAT YOU WERE TAUGHT OR DEVELOPED THESE BELIEFS ON YOUR OWN - THE "CATHOLIC CHURCH APPEARED HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER CHRIST AND GREW FROM WITHIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE. ALL HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED
At least make sure your accusations are based of truth and accurate information otherwise the tables turn and you look like a cult member spewing hate.
**You need to be willing apply the same standard to your own religion. No brushing under the rug the skeletons in the WTBS’s closet. Are you, an ex Catholic who became a JW, willing to start engaging in conversation with a former JW who wants to be Catholic? **
Yes, I have been known to be wrong before…It happens alot.
OK Confusedius my friend. I will be happy to do this. I wont be taking much part though, because the J.W.s are pretty honest where they diverge from historical Christianity, and I for one appreciate this. I only go after those, that are down right deceptive. Peace to you and yours. Look forward to you posting on the thread I will start.
Of course Catholics turn to the Bible, macreadys. It is a Catholic book, produced by Catholics and given to all of Christendom by the Catholic Church.
Amen!
Indeed. We lean upon Christ.
Could you please provide your source–a document from the Magisterium that’s online for all to see–that proclaims the above?
This, sadly, is true. The Catholic Church has done an abysmal job providing catechesis to her flock.
Again, true.
You are correct, although I would re-word that to say that we do not lean upon the Bible as the only source of truth. There are not different truths.
This is an innacurate statement. We hold Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture as equal for the simple reason that Sacred Tradtiion is prior in time to Sacred Scripture and Sacred Scripture is simply part of Sacred Tradition committed to writing. It is the same truth, however. Please provide the statement from the Catholic Church that says that Tradition is accepted over Scripture.
Do you have historical information that conflicts with Catholic claims? Feel free to present it.
Unfortunately, you will get no argument from me on this point, although in fairness, I have found the same sad reality among most, not some, JW’s as well.
I agree completely.
Yes, the Christman songs, at least the religious Christmas songs, concern the birth of Jesus, therefore they would be off limits. Birthdays, even the birth of our Savior, are not allowed to be celebrated. There are two scriptural refrences that they use to defend this position. One concerns a dream of Joseph while exiled in Egypt, resulting in the death of the chief baker (Pharaoh had his head impaled on a stake) on Pharaoh’s birthday. The second concerned the beheading of John the Baptist on Herod’s birthday. Two birthdays with bad endings. From these two passages they have determined that the celebration of one’s birthday is evil. They, unfortunately, forgot about another birthday, that of Jesus Christ, when even the angels in heaven celebrated.
… They, unfortunately, forgot about another birthday, that of Jesus Christ, when even the angels in heaven celebrated.
That last bit was nice to read lol.]Clarification: What has been posted thus far about the Jehovah’s Witnesses neither denigrates their community nor disrespects them as people, therefore it violates nothing in the rules and guidelines found at this link .
]Clarification: What has been posted thus far about the Jehovah’s Witnesses neither denigrates their community nor disrespects them as people, therefore it violates nothing in the rules and guidelines found at this link .
What the Catholic response is to Jehovah’s Witness beliefs can be found at the following Catholic Answers links.
Please stay on topic and remain charitable.
Michael, thank you for the references. Very helpful.
Hi, can you elaborate on the bolded/italisized/underlined above for me please?
What are the facts and proof documenting that your faith traces “their roots to Christ”? I frequently read this on this forum, but do not know from whence it comes. I would really appreciate any references I could study. Thanks!