Please help refute these claims!

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Hi…

I accidentally stumbled across this website yesterday… Here is its URL:

freetruth.50webs.org/Index.htm

I dont know if it will link or not, as i am using a mobile phone. If it doesnt, please copy and paste it into the address bar.

I really didnt want to find it, and i wish i hadnt. Please show that at least some of these claims are false… It has hurt my faith in christ’s Church 😦

Thanks in advance and God bless! 🙂
 
A lot of misinformation there. The site looks like a dumping ground of every rumor, half-truth and misstatement about Christians for the last 2000 years.

To be certain, there have been problems with people who also happened to be Christian. But Christians do not have a monopoly on those problems. Every culture, religion (and non-religion, for that matter) has the same problem of people doing unfortunate things. The fact that the author of that site focuses on Christians does not mean that Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews or Atheists are immune.

The best refutation I have is the Cross and the example of Jesus Christ. If He is who He says He is, these rumors simply don’t matter.
 
Here’s a quote from the website you are inquiring about:

*“Things They Don’t Tell You contains no original content. It merely excerpts material from books, articles and other web pages, referencing the sources or linking back to the original pages wherever possible.” *

In order to corroborate or refute anything found on this website you must do the digging and not expect anyone here to hand over the graphs and charts and details of any given topic. One quote was that God has always hated the Jews. Now, you know from Jesus’ story that this is ludicrous. But there are things to consider about the Inquisition and the Crusades and such that are ugly and verifiable (for whomever might trust a non-Catholic source).

Happy studies.
 
I really didnt want to find it, and i wish i hadnt. Please show that at least some of these claims are false… It has hurt my faith in christ’s Church 😦
These snippets of history do sound pretty awful, but that’s all they are - snippets, devoid of all historical context. How people understand the world today is very different than how people understood it in the past. You can’t begin to interpret the words and actions of historical persons unless you first understand the world as they understood it.

However, there’s nothing wrong with asking “how can that be?”. If you are interested in Church History, Steve Kellmeyer, a Catholic Apologist, has a great series of lectures on the topic you can download for free from Bridegroom Press. Sometimes he can be a bit over the top, but overall he’s very entertaining and makes lots of great points.

As for the creator of that website, he/she went to a lot of trouble to mislead people away from faith in God and the Church. Souls such as this need our prayers the most.

“Plant in this garden fragrant flowers, priests and rulers who are true servants of Jesus Christ, and care for nothing but the honour of God and the salvation of souls, and are fathers of the poor.” - Saint Catherine of Siena
 
Reading through the linked list, I see what bellasbane correctly described as “snippets, devoid of all historical context.”

And some of this is specifically revisionist history, meaning the presentation of falsified historical data in order to bolster a modern author’s personal opinion about past events. For example, among the article’s cited references is John Cornwell’s Hitler’s Pope, which has been refuted a number of times. But as far as this article is concerned, Cornwell is a credible historian.

But let me play “devil’s advocate” for a moment and assume that everything in that article is 100% correct, and that historical context need not have any bearing on the information. What exactly does this prove?

That there are sinners within the Christian religion?

That after people get baptized they are still susceptible to the temptation to sin, and that many will exercise their gift of freewill to sin as a result?

That Christians can be hypocrites because we often fall short of the living the gospel life that we profess to believe in?

Since when did Christians ever claim anything different? As the saying goes, “Christians aren’t perfect, only saved.”

And what is the purpose of the linked article? It doesn’t really say, but it seems the idea is to suggest that Christianity is somehow detrimental to society. But to do that the article can only give examples of Christians acting contrary to the gospels, not because of them.

And what do we see when we examine society in terms of Christians who are honestly striving to act in accordance with the gospels? We see soup kitchens and hospitals. We see emergency volunteer workers in places struck by natural disasters. We see missionaries providing education and medical assistance in the poorest areas of the world. We see the various monks who labored throughout history to record and preserve classical literature. We see St. Vincent Societies helping people in need. We people like St. Katherine Drexel (whose feast day was earlier this week) who founded the first university in the United States for African Americans. We see people like Archbishop Romero who was shot and killed for speaking out against social injustice. We see people like St. Francis, St. Patrick, St. Pio of Pietrelcina, Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, and so on and so on.

Let Christianity be judged by its saints, not its sinners.
 
Thank you all so much for your responses! 🙂

I understand now that we need to focus on the good, and not the bad.

I feel this situation has actually strengthened my faith in ways, seeing how God can use an imperfect organization of imperfect people to do his will…

Thanks again and God bless! 🙂
 
After reading some of this, the most ridiculous claim I saw was that no Christians were killed in the Colosseum. Two names come to mind right away, Polycarp of Smyrna and Ignatius of Antioch. Both of their martyrdoms are very well attested.

And I will say that even if all the things claimed are true, and I doubt they are, none of them mean that Christianity is false. If they are true all the do is show us that humans are fallen beings with a broken nature that go against the will of God more often than not, which proves Christianity more than anything.
 
That website is a farrago of half-truths, outright fabrications, and exaggerations. But the basic point has already been made. Even if everything they said was true, it would not prove anything vis a vis the truth of Christianity. It would show at most that Christians are capable of doing evil things, which we know to be true because of original sin. But putting that aside for a moment, suppose that we decide to play the “body count” game. The 20th century was the most brutal, bloody, violent century in human history and it was also the least religious. If you take all the people who were killed for secular political reasons in the last 100 years, the numbers would probably dwarf the total number of people killed in religious persecutions over the last 2000 years. To gain some perspective:

scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

So yes, Christians are capable of doing monstrous things. But thanks to the 20th century we also know what Atheists and Communists are capable of, and I’ll take Christianity at its worst over those ideologies at their best.
 
The Catholic Church Church was created by Christ and is indefectibly Holy. The Church does not fail. However, The Church has been entrusted by Christ to be run by men and women who all have the stain of sin. One of the Crosses to be carried by The Church is to strive for Holiness while Satan is on the side tempting those who try to follow Christ.

I think Fr. John Corapi (and maybe others) have indicated that the Devil wages war and attacks those who are closest to God as they are Satan’s enemy. The Devil leaves those alone who pose no threat to Satan’s evil works. Two-thousand years of human history have, sadly, produced two-thousand years of evil – but what has been done during those two-thousand years hasn’t all been evil: we have been blessed with priests and Saints, miracles and charity. However, because we are human, the evil will continue and will get much worse. The Catholic Church throughout it all remains indefectibly Holy.

By trying to live a Catholic life as Christ has described for us – puts us in the Devil’s crosshairs. There will be lies, deceptions, killing, mockery, loss of social status, loss of wealth, attacks on the Eucharist and Sacraments and much more. God doesn’t do these things. By our misuse of Free Will, God does permit the Devil to influence us to do evil to ourselves. Through The Deceived, Satan wants your faith shaken, he wants doubt, he wants you to turn away from Christ’s path and will do anything to achieve it.

Remain vigilant and steadfast, the road to Heaven may not be easy but in the context of Eternity it is an infinitesimally short road.
 
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