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Greetings, everyone!

I’m having a real struggle with my faith right now. Though I can train myself to think that the God of the Bible (and Jesus) is the only true God, I’m having a hard time dismissing all other religions, and their respective deities (e.g. Mohammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith, etc). In going to Protestant churches over the years, I’ve been taught that becoming a Christian means dismissing all other religions, if for no other reason, because Christianity is not a “religion”, but a “relationship”, something that is unique. We need not work our way to God, as God extends His hand to us.

I was required to take a World Religions class not too long ago, and this class did a study on all the major world religions. I found all of them interesting, however, the class essentially destroyed my faith, leading me to feel that my belief in God as being the “true” God was no more credible than a Muslim’s belief in God, the Buddhist’s, etc. As the Bible is a major foundation of Christianity, my faith in that was utterly destroyed as well, making me feel like the Bible is just as credible as the Torah (alone), the Koran, etc. The entire message of this class (and I had to write papers on this), was “These are the many religions of the world. All of them attempt to determine how the world came to be, and who created (and governs it). There is no wrong religion, as each has its own hypothesis in these regards, so pick the one that sounds most interesting!”.

Sooo… in light of my destroyed faith, I’m struggling to keep hold to the idea (Jesus Christ) I once believed in with complete faith, disregarding logic, and the opinions of others. I know feel as though it’s everyone’s guess as to why we’re here, who made us, etc, and that you can ask a dozen people these questions, and get a dozen answers. In many cases, people will point you to scriptures, but with many people having different scriptures, it’s hard to decipher what’s right. As this is a spiritual matter, and concerns how I can/should live my life, and my eligibility for life after this, finding these answers is a grave concern to me (given I don’t know how long I have on this Earth), and I’m frantic to find my way back on track.

By the way, you’re probably wondering what I’m doing posting this on a Catholic forum. In all honesty, in wanting to find a new church, I was very much put off by all the Protestant churches (many of which claiming to be THE closest to scripture, the most correct, etc), and looked to history. I believe the Catholic church is probably most correct (as I believe Jesus had Peter bring the church to Rome), and the Protestant reformation was more or less an upraising led by selfish and sinful individuals (e.g. Henry VIII) whom decided to put their own interests first, as opposed to the interests of God’s kingdom. I realize that may be a rather rash misunderstanding, so please feel free to correct me.
 
If you have time to read a whole book, there’s a very good one by G.K. Chesterton called The Everlasting Man. He talks a lot about what the various pagan beliefs were like at the time of Christ’s birth, and what makes Christianity significantly different from them. It’s a sort of extended bunch of essays; and you can find it fairly easily online for free. People have also made public domain audiobooks of it.
 
This is how I see it… The world’s 3 major religions all branch out from Abraham. In the beginning things were very different. I don’t think people had to look back into history to determine what the Truth is. Now people have to do a lot of discerning about the revelations that were given to us in the past. So it is very hard for people these days to determine the True religion. Not everyone does as much research as the next person. And even after doing research one might come to a different conclusion as the next. But I believe if they are both truly honest with themselves that will come to the same conclusion.

Catholics don’t believe that if you aren’t Catholic you are damned to hell.

Only God knows what is in someones heart. He knows if you are honestly seeking out the Truth. I believe this is the same God that Christians, Jews, and Muslims seek out that originated with Abraham. Granted only one can have the absolute Truth. I believe if you honestly seek out God with a great desire for Him you will find the best way to experience Him is through Catholicism. If you pray about it and honestly have an open heart I believe you will find that Catholicism has all the Truths. But if one honestly tries to seek out the Lord but still never finds the Catholic Faith I still think God will have mercy on him.
 
If I may offer a few semi-detached thoughts -

First, God honors the search for truth. Don’t be afraid of the search - He’s not.

The course that challenged your faith may well be opening the door to a stronger, more mature faith.

It’s worth noting that God cannot be proved, only known by faith.

And finally, my favorite prayer from Scripture:

“Lord, I believe - help thou mine unbelief!”
 
Hi jasphair,

Welcome to CAF! I took World Religions in college. It’s interesting to learn about them. I can see why it’d be hard on your faith. What I ask is: What made you believe in Christianity in the first place? What were your experiences with Christ?

Faith is difficult. That’s for sure. There are mysteries of the Faith; God is beyond our understanding. Like a child who trusts in his/her father even though there’s a lack of understanding about why he would have the rules, we are to be like that with God.
In Matthew 18 at the beginning of the chapter, Jesus tells his disciples unless they become like children, they would not enter the kingdom of heaven.

St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 “For we know partially and we prophesy partially, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.” 13:12 “At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully as I am fully known.”

Feel free to ask all of the questions you want.

God bless,
beautiful304
 
jasphair,

Comparative religion classes are not helpful in any way if one is not well grounded in their own faith. The cursory approach to these classes often fails to give any religion a fair presentation. Instead, the watered down summaries attempt to make them all appear to be equally plausible. The religious smörgåsbord is thus laid out before the uninitiated to make a choice among them…any choice at all, so long as religion happens to be your thing. Likewise, if religion isn’t your thing, then simply move along…after all, religions are simply differing mythologies trying to culturally express a similar idea. It’s just ho hum stuff anyway, and it really doesn’t matter much what you happen to choose for purposes of your belief. Simply choose what pleases you or what happens to tickle your ears.

If you really want the truth, then stick around this forum. You can get your questions answered here, as well as on the main website Catholic.com. The main website has a great search tool for its library of articles that cover virtually any and all religious questions and topics. You will find them to be very informative and helpful in your quest.

Truth is not relative and there is only one correct version that properly describes the facts whether they be natural or supernatural.

God bless.
 
…leading me to feel that my belief in God as being the “true” God was no more credible than a Muslim’s belief in God, the Buddhist’s… making me feel like the Bible is just as credible as the Torah (alone), the Koran, etc.
The point that I would stress is that truth is mutually exclusive with falsehood (philosophers call this the Law of Non-Contradiction). Certainly, by “credible,” you cannot mean “true.” Using your examples, Islam holds to a unitarian view of God (that God is one Person in one Nature), while Christianity affirms a trinitarian view (that God is three Persons in one Nature). Thus, on this point of doctrine alone, Islam cannot be equally as “credible” (true) as Christianity. Only three possibilities present themselves:
[1] Christianity is true
[2]
Islam is true
[3]
Both Christianity and Islam are false (which means something else must be true)
Likewise, the Bible cannot be “as credible” (as true) as the Quran, since each categorically contradicts the other. It’s not merely that they tell the same truths in different ways, but that they each contain truth-claims which are mutually exclusive with one another. (Incidentally, the Quran wasn’t composed until the 7th century A.D., some five centuries after the last New Testament document was written.)

Buddhism, by way of contrast to both Christianity and Islam, denies the existence of a personal God altogether. Again, the three possibilities above apply in all cases of comparison with the Christian faith.

The central questions, then, are these:
[1] What is objectively true?
[2]
How can I know what is objectively true?

Gaudium de veritate,

Don
+T+
 
jasphair
I understand your struggle. Its so hard (maybe even impossible) to train yourself to believe.

It sounds like you have become very respect to other faiths, good!

I would like to share a line of scripture with you.

Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.
Acts 17:22-23

Do you feel you are like the people Paul is talking to? I think you might be.
Notice however, when you look at all faiths it becomes impossible (and confusing) to know which one you believe in. You might try to ‘mix and match’ until you have a faith you made that you are comfortable with, but the problem is it can’t be true. Think about it, you made it up in your own head! It didn’t exist until then.

It also sound like you still believe in one God, good!
If you believe in one God that created you, you must ask yourself, “why did He create me, and not just me but all people?”

If God did it because it is good for you to have life, then He loves you. What other “god” has done more for the world and has shown a greater love, then that of the God we believe in? Is it possible that there is a “god” who loves us less then we can imagine him to love us? How could we imagine a love greater then a “god”?

If in all your studies you can find a “god” that has loved us more then the one true God the bible preaches, please let me know!
 
Greetings, everyone!

I’m having a real struggle with my faith right now. Though I can train myself to think that the God of the Bible (and Jesus) is the only true God, I’m having a hard time dismissing all other religions, and their respective deities (e.g. Mohammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith, etc). In going to Protestant churches over the years, I’ve been taught that becoming a Christian means dismissing all other religions, if for no other reason, because Christianity is not a “religion”, but a “relationship”, something that is unique. We need not work our way to God, as God extends His hand to us.

I was required to take a World Religions class not too long ago, and this class did a study on all the major world religions. I found all of them interesting, however, the class essentially destroyed my faith, leading me to feel that my belief in God as being the “true” God was no more credible than a Muslim’s belief in God, the Buddhist’s, etc. As the Bible is a major foundation of Christianity, my faith in that was utterly destroyed as well, making me feel like the Bible is just as credible as the Torah (alone), the Koran, etc. The entire message of this class (and I had to write papers on this), was “These are the many religions of the world. All of them attempt to determine how the world came to be, and who created (and governs it). There is no wrong religion, as each has its own hypothesis in these regards, so pick the one that sounds most interesting!”.

Sooo… in light of my destroyed faith, I’m struggling to keep hold to the idea (Jesus Christ) I once believed in with complete faith, disregarding logic, and the opinions of others. I know feel as though it’s everyone’s guess as to why we’re here, who made us, etc, and that you can ask a dozen people these questions, and get a dozen answers. In many cases, people will point you to scriptures, but with many people having different scriptures, it’s hard to decipher what’s right. As this is a spiritual matter, and concerns how I can/should live my life, and my eligibility for life after this, finding these answers is a grave concern to me (given I don’t know how long I have on this Earth), and I’m frantic to find my way back on track.

By the way, you’re probably wondering what I’m doing posting this on a Catholic forum. In all honesty, in wanting to find a new church, I was very much put off by all the Protestant churches (many of which claiming to be THE closest to scripture, the most correct, etc), and looked to history. I believe the Catholic church is probably most correct (as I believe Jesus had Peter bring the church to Rome), and the Protestant reformation was more or less an upraising led by selfish and sinful individuals (e.g. Henry VIII) whom decided to put their own interests first, as opposed to the interests of God’s kingdom. I realize that may be a rather rash misunderstanding, so please feel free to correct me.
Do any of those other religions have fulfilled prophecies?
 
I strongly recommend you read Dr. Scott Hahn’s Reasons to Believe. No religion possesses as much consistency, logic or clarity as Catholicism.
 
It’s worth noting that God cannot be proved, only known by faith.
Hi NHInsider,

That’s what I’ve been trying to understand. If that’s the case, then great. The problem is, I’ve found many people who dispute that idea, saying blind faith is not necessary, becasue the evidence exists (e.g. prophecies, scriptures, etc). It’s boggled my mind, as any person who believes in another religion or deity of sorts can proclaim (well, I know this is right, because, I have this evidence…). I’m not talking testimony, but actual evidence. If there IS concrete evidence that puts all other religions to shame (and really makes them seem silly), I’d like to know what that is. Though a lot of faith may be required with Christianity, it might be easier for me to accept, if there are many substantical historical/theological flaws with other religions. I hope that makes sense…
It also sound like you still believe in one God, good!
If you believe in one God that created you, you must ask yourself, “why did He create me, and not just me but all people?”
Hi lookaround. I’ve been asking that quesiton (along with many others) quite a bit. I’ve talked to many people, to try and find a general concensus on this. Why did God create us? Why did He create humanity? I’ve heard some people say he was bored, others say He was lonely. Why was that? A couple of thoughts - is Heaven not a perfect place, a place of happy feelings? How can one be in Heaven, and be lonely? Another thought - if God was lonely or bored or whatever, what about the Angels? Were they not good enough? I can understand why Satan led the revolt, considering the Angels were there way before us, and God put us above the Angels. That doesn’t seem very fair to them. Can anyone explain?
I strongly recommend you read Dr. Scott Hahn’s Reasons to Believe. No religion possesses as much consistency, logic or clarity as Catholicism.
Hi phoenix3212,

I’ve watched the film ‘The Case for Christ’ by Lee Strobel a couple of times now. It seems interesting, and I think he raises several good arguements, including the number of prophecies Jesus fulfilled (per the Bible). With that said, in order to have faith in the Bible, it proposes we look at it not as a spiritual story book (as I suppose I always have), and look at it as historical documents, detailing a series of real-life events over two thousand years ago. The Bible, in that sense, is no different than any other historical books I’ve read (even in grade school), detailing world and American history, world wars, etc. I was not alive to witness these events, and most whom were (I think the remaining WWI veterans are now dwindling) are no longer around as well, however, this does not make it any less true. Is this a good way to think about it?

He also puts a lot of emphasis on the resurrection, stating that had Jesus not been resurrected and actually SEEN, the desciples of Jesus would NOT have made haste to continue following Him, going to the corners of the world, and in many cases, dying. It would defy all logic, though some have tried to relate their martydom to people such as Jim Jones, and other cult leaders. The difference is, however, people in those cults didn’t do a whole lot after the death of their leaders, to my knowledge. In this case, the disciples quadrupled their efforts to document as much as they could (thus making The Bible), and preaching the gospel, knowing full well they’d likely be persecuted and put to death. Whom in their right mind would do that, if it weren’t for the knowledge that Jesus was alive, because they had SEEN him?
 
Hi NHInsider,

That’s what I’ve been trying to understand. If that’s the case, then great. The problem is, I’ve found many people who dispute that idea, saying blind faith is not necessary, becasue the evidence exists (e.g. prophecies, scriptures, etc). It’s boggled my mind, as any person who believes in another religion or deity of sorts can proclaim (well, I know this is right, because, I have this evidence…). I’m not talking testimony, but actual evidence. If there IS concrete evidence that puts all other religions to shame (and really makes them seem silly), I’d like to know what that is. Though a lot of faith may be required with Christianity, it might be easier for me to accept, if there are many substantical historical/theological flaws with other religions. I hope that makes sense…
The Catholic Church defines that it is possible to prove that God exists using philosophy. Thomas Aquinas’ five causes are good arguments in favour of the existence of God. There are other approaches that one can take. However, these philosophical proofs are not identical with faith, but only predispose one to receive faith.

This does not mean that the faith itself is irrational. Within the faith there is an inner logic and coherence that draws the mind and the heart to assent to its truthfulness. Augustine said that we are made for God, and without God, our hearts are restless, constantly seeking for that source for which it was created.
Hi lookaround. I’ve been asking that quesiton (along with many others) quite a bit. I’ve talked to many people, to try and find a general concensus on this. Why did God create us? Why did He create humanity? I’ve heard some people say he was bored, others say He was lonely. Why was that? A couple of thoughts - is Heaven not a perfect place, a place of happy feelings? How can one be in Heaven, and be lonely? Another thought - if God was lonely or bored or whatever, what about the Angels? Were they not good enough? I can understand why Satan led the revolt, considering the Angels were there way before us, and God put us above the Angels. That doesn’t seem very fair to them. Can anyone explain?
One of the problems I find with comparative religions (I also have a degree in it) is that it often focuses on the superficial qualities of religion, without looking into the deeper theological questions. So instead of looking at religions on their own terms, comparative religiongs looks at it using other academic disciplines, such as “The psychology of religion”, “The sociology of Religion”, or “The anthropology of Religion”. Thus, each religion is explained using the lense of these various disciplines. The truth claims of each religion is almost beside the point.

What you really need is a better grounding in philosophy and theology. I would recommend studying the classics, Plato, and Aristotle, then read some of the church Fathers. Especially Augustine’s Confessions, and Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Contra Gentiles, and his Summa Theologica.

The questions you are asking are deep questions.
Hi phoenix3212,
I’ve watched the film ‘The Case for Christ’ by Lee Strobel a couple of times now. It seems interesting, and I think he raises several good arguements, including the number of prophecies Jesus fulfilled (per the Bible). With that said, in order to have faith in the Bible, it proposes we look at it not as a spiritual story book (as I suppose I always have), and look at it as historical documents, detailing a series of real-life events over two thousand years ago. The Bible, in that sense, is no different than any other historical books I’ve read (even in grade school), detailing world and American history, world wars, etc. I was not alive to witness these events, and most whom were (I think the remaining WWI veterans are now dwindling) are no longer around as well, however, this does not make it any less true. Is this a good way to think about it?
He also puts a lot of emphasis on the resurrection, stating that had Jesus not been resurrected and actually SEEN, the desciples of Jesus would NOT have made haste to continue following Him, going to the corners of the world, and in many cases, dying. It would defy all logic, though some have tried to relate their martydom to people such as Jim Jones, and other cult leaders. The difference is, however, people in those cults didn’t do a whole lot after the death of their leaders, to my knowledge. In this case, the disciples quadrupled their efforts to document as much as they could (thus making The Bible), and preaching the gospel, knowing full well they’d likely be persecuted and put to death. Whom in their right mind would do that, if it weren’t for the knowledge that Jesus was alive, because they had SEEN him?
I read Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Christ” as well. Its a good book and a good introduction to some of the primary source material we have for Christ, the early church, etc…

It is really important to go to the primary sources of Christian doctrine when looking into Christian history. Don’t let yourself be guided by revisionist historians. And always ask yourself, what is the agenda of the person writing this book?

God bless,
Ut
 
I just want to say I love that you are inquiring about this. I think this makes God really happy when people do this. When you come to realize the True faith (and I am confident you will find it in the Catholic Church) you will have such an amazing spiritual basis. 😃

I have gone through the same questions as you recently. And I am still going through these questions as I think anyone will probably for the rest of their lives. However, there comes a point when you are so sure of what the Truth is that these questions don’t bother you as much any more.
 
Hi lookaround. I’ve been asking that quesiton (along with many others) quite a bit. I’ve talked to many people, to try and find a general concensus on this. Why did God create us? Why did He create humanity? I’ve heard some people say he was bored, others say He was lonely. Why was that? A couple of thoughts - is Heaven not a perfect place, a place of happy feelings? How can one be in Heaven, and be lonely? Another thought - if God was lonely or bored or whatever, what about the Angels? Were they not good enough? I can understand why Satan led the revolt, considering the Angels were there way before us, and God put us above the Angels. That doesn’t seem very fair to them. Can anyone explain?
Good question!
Remember God is eternal and He created time. So He exists outside of time (not in our Universe so not bound by our laws of physics)
With that said, if God was bored creating us would not help his boredom. Since God would always be bored (if you exist outside of time then you will not change since there is no time to change)
So when God created us, it could not be to stop boredom (He can’t change).

Since the Bible says, “God is love” John 4:8 | 1 John 4:16, it makes sense that He created us out of His eternal (not changed by time) love. It also makes sense that if you love you would want to share that love, hence… our creation 🙂
 
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