Please Pray for Me

[CollegeKid]

Ignatius,

I only recently heard about the Lutheran belief in consubstantiation; I think it differs from the belief in the Real Presence in that Lutherans believe the bread and wine remain bread and wine while at the same time being transformed into the body and blood of Christ, whereas we believe they are actually completely changed into His body and blood and do not remain bread and wine at all. I was not that serious about faith as a kid which is probably why I did not know about the doctrine of consubstantiation, I just stuck to the basics, Jesus loves us, and so on. One belief our church shared in common with Catholicism (I think) was the regeneration of water baptism.

 

[CollegeKid]

Again, I am not totally sure about what Lutherans believe about baptism and whether or not its regenerative. Even though I was raised Lutheran (when I was younger) I was baptised Episcopalian, am pretty sure they believe in being born again through baptism. I was this close to being baptised Catholic, but my parents (and only my mom is Catholic) had some issues with the priest at their parish so they left. In high school I mainly attended the local methodist church, sometimes the Episcopal or Presbyterian one. Some of these protestant sects are not all that different from one another, but I think the methodist church was where I first encountered the belief in being born again through a conversion of the heart to Christ, not water baptism. In the early part of my college career was when I became a “born again christian” for a little while. There were lots of good people at the local evangelical church, but I think most of us here know that evangelical/fundamentalist christianity is not the answer. Im just glad that God helped me find my way home to the Catholic Church. And thanks for bearing with me through that all-over-the-map story.

 

[Psalm45_9]

CollegeKid:

Ignatius,

I only recently heard about the Lutheran belief in consubstantiation; I think it differs from the belief in the Real Presence in that Lutherans believe the bread and wine remain bread and wine while at the same time being transformed into the body and blood of Christ, whereas we believe they are actually completely changed into His body and blood and do not remain bread and wine at all. I was not that serious about faith as a kid which is probably why I did not know about the doctrine of consubstantiation, I just stuck to the basics, Jesus loves us, and so on. One belief our church shared in common with Catholicism (I think) was the regeneration of water baptism.

Martin Luther did seem to believe that, however Lutherans do not give it the term consubstantiation, that was the label given to his belief by the Catholics. However, there are some Lutherans who do believe in the physical presence, that mass is a sacrifice, and they even keep a sanctuary light near the tabernacle.

 

[Psalm45_9]

CollegeKid:

Again, I am not totally sure about what Lutherans believe about baptism and whether or not its regenerative.

Yes Lutherans do believe in baptismal regeneration. Martin Luther even stated that baptismal regeneration could not be denied in sacred scripture.

Collegekid:

Even though I was raised Lutheran (when I was younger) I was baptised Episcopalian, am pretty sure they believe in being born again through baptism.

This I’m not too sure about either, but regardless, baptism in the Episcopalian church is a valid baptism.

Catholickid:

I was this close to being baptised Catholic, but my parents (and only my mom is Catholic) had some issues with the priest at their parish so they left. In high school I mainly attended the local methodist church, sometimes the Episcopal or Presbyterian one. Some of these protestant sects are not all that different from one another, but I think the methodist church was where I first encountered the belief in being born again through a conversion of the heart to Christ, not water baptism. In the early part of my college career was when I became a “born again christian” for a little while. There were lots of good people at the local evangelical church, but I think most of us here know that evangelical/fundamentalist christianity is not the answer. Im just glad that God helped me find my way home to the Catholic Church. And thanks for bearing with me through that all-over-the-map story.

Hey, we’re glad to have you, welcome!

 

[john_ennis]

Our prayer for you (and for ourselves):

Lord I believe: help my unbelief.

It ought to encourage us, huh, that just like we don’t necessarily feel that anything special is happening at Mass (or during adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, or at prayer), the Apostles, during Christ’s agony in the garden, fell asleep, for Pete’s sake!
At such times, we can really exercise our faithfulness, trusting him even when we don’t feel like it.

Peace.

John