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How is this okay? Two religions who worship two different gods. One that believes in a triune God where Jesus is God. The other does not.
“Common love and admiration”… This is far from the Christian belief in Jesus Christ is God and as such is worthy of worship. We do not merely love and admire Christ.

This will only serve to confuse rather than clarify.
 
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Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham, if they are by definition monotheistic how could they worship two different gods when there’s no other God to worship? You know what frustrates me? When people ignore what the catechism says on this.
 
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I agree this could be difficult, I am not sure if we are allowed interreligious prayer (though they do so at Assisi), but the Catechism highly implies we both worship the God of Abraham.
But, I imagine this will be weird to the Muslims, if they are going to pray to Jesus and ask Mary to pray.
 
Inscribed around the Dome of the Rock: “God has no son”

Muslim deny the divinity of Christ. Muslims deny the Trinity.

The God of Abraham is the Most Holy Trinity Who is the same forever and ever. How do Muslims worship the God of Abraham, then, if they deny the Trinity? At best, they worship an incomplete and heretical idea of Who God is.
 
Jews also believe god has no son. Does this mean they worship a different god as well?
 
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841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."

I’ve been part of some lovely interreligious prayer services.
 
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How is this okay? Two religions who worship two different gods. One that believes in a triune God where Jesus is God. The other does not.
“Common love and admiration”… This is far from the Christian belief in Jesus Christ is God and as such is worthy of worship. We do not merely love and admire Christ.

This will only serve to confuse rather than clarify.
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Lumen Gentium (Vatican II):
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.
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Ecumenical Worship Service (excerpt):
L.: When we establish relations of friendships among Jews, Christians and Muslims, when we tear down the wall of indifference and hatred,
A: Merciful One who makes us one, make our unity visible and bring healing to the world.
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...hrstuni_doc_20100526_week-prayer-2011_en.html
 
You tell me. How can you worship the Most Holy Trinity while denying the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
 
Friendships? Okay. But do we also not need to help our “friends” to see the error of their ways?
 
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841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
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I’ve always found it curious that in the new Catechism (drawing from the V2 document Nostra aetate), the Church defines the beliefs of another religion. How is defining something like this in the scope of the Church’s magisterial authority? Can the Church also define what Buddhists or Hindus believe?
 
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Sounds interesting to me. If it were near me I’d probably go. I don’t see any Muslims freaking out over Mary-worship or how Fatima makes them sick, which gives them an advantage in my book over a few Christians. Will there be middle-Eastern food at this party?
 
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Isn’t there a whole chapter in the Koran about Mary?

Perhaps Mary can help build a bridge between Christians and Muslims.
 
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Friendships? Okay. But do we also not need to help our “friends” to see the error of their ways?
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This 2007 document should answer your question, but apply it to non-Christians not just non-Catholic Christians. (I see you do not consider them as friends, due to the use of quotes.)

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH,
DOCTRINAL NOTE ON SOME ASPECTS OF EVANGELIZATION, 2007
… it needs also to be recalled that if a non-Catholic Christian, for reasons of conscience and having been convinced of Catholic truth, asks to enter into the full communion of the Catholic Church, this is to be respected as the work of the Holy Spirit and as an expression of freedom of conscience and of religion. In such a case, it would not be a question of proselytism in the negative sense that has been attributed to this term.[49] As explicitly recognized in the Decree on Ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council, “it is evident that the work of preparing and reconciling those individuals who desire full Catholic communion is of its nature distinct from ecumenical action, but there is no opposition between the two, since both proceed from the marvelous ways of God”.[50] Therefore, the work of ecumenism does not remove the right or take away the responsibility of proclaiming in fullness the Catholic faith to other Christians, who freely wish to receive it.
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Although non-Christians can be saved through the grace which God bestows in “ways known to him”,[21] the Church cannot fail to recognize that such persons are lacking a tremendous benefit in this world: to know the true face of God and the friendship of Jesus Christ, God-with-us.

[49] The term proselytism originated in the context of Judaism, in which the term proselyte referred to someone who, coming from the gentiles, had passed into the Chosen People. So too, in the Christian context, the term proselytism was often used as a synonym for missionary activity. More recently, however, the term has taken on a negative connotation, to mean the promotion of a religion by using means, and for motives, contrary to the spirit of the Gospel; that is, which do not safeguard the freedom and dignity of the human person. It is in this sense that the term proselytism is understood in the context of the ecumenical movement: cf. The Joint Working Group between the Catholic Church and the World Council of Churches, “The Challenge of Proselytism and the Calling to Common Witness” (1995).
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More recently, however, the term has taken on a negative connotation, to mean the promotion of a religion by using means, and for motives, contrary to the spirit of the Gospel; that is, which do not safeguard the freedom and dignity of the human person.
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It was only recently that the Church changed its stance on religious freedom (see Dignitatis humanae) and began to place emphasis on a novel idea of “human dignity” (based on the V2 documents, one would be hard pressed to say that ‘He has made us a little lower than the angels’) therefore the traditional concept of proselytism had to be condemned to fit these new criteria. Hence the “negative connotation”.
 
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Why is finding common ground a bad thing? Finding common ground is the first start to a dialogue. It might lead to some Muslims in that area investigating Christianity more closely!

Seems to me the worst this can do is show both sides the others are human beings who aren’t so bad after all.
 
Just so you know… and it’s okay if you never learned this… but many different religions worship gods of the same origin AND can and often do believe different things about a SAME god.
 
There is only One God. Again, I ask: How can one worship the Most Holy Trinity - the only and true God - while denying the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. At best - as I mentioned - such people worship a false idea of God.
 
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i don’t think that (on the surface) there is anything wrong w/this

just; i would welcome the day when the mosque hosts some sort of reciprocating service
 
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