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I am a cradle baptist and so I do not understand a lot of the practices of the mass. Please explain to me the holy water with the cross when you go into the church adn the kneeling before you sit and the kneeling once you sit. I really need some step by step instruction and I would like to know the significance behind it. I am looking to converting to the church but I don’t want to do something just for the sake of doing it I would rather know why I am doing it. Thanks in advance.
 
I am a cradle baptist and so I do not understand a lot of the practices of the mass. Please explain to me the holy water with the cross when you go into the church adn the kneeling before you sit and the kneeling once you sit. I really need some step by step instruction and I would like to know the significance behind it. I am looking to converting to the church but I don’t want to do something just for the sake of doing it I would rather know why I am doing it. Thanks in advance.
Blessing yourself with holy water is is way of remembering one’s baptism. It’s kind of like a private renewal of one’s baptismal promises.

The genuflection prior to entering a pew is an acknowledgment of Jesus present in the Eucharist reserved in the tabernacle in the Church. As such, it is only proper to do *if *the tabernacle is in the Church. In most Churches that is the case but not always. (There are plenty of Catholics who don’t understand what it is they are doing so it would be easy for a non-Catholic like you to be confused.) In Western Christianity a genuflection is an acknowledgment of the divinity and kingship of Jesus.

Now the kneeling once one enters the pew (but prior to the beginning of Mass or any other liturgy) is simply private prayer such as what one might do at home.
 
Holy water is a reminder of our baptism. The sign of the cross is a sign of the Trinity – God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit – and that we are Christians. Upon entering the church, we dip a finger in the holy water and make the sign of the cross, which is a way of reminding ourselves of our new life in Christ.

As for what kneeling means, kneeling is a posture of the body that shows the highest form of reverence. Once we are in the pew, we kneel and say private prayers to prepare ourselves for Mass. We kneel at certain points in the Mass, such as during the consecration when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, and also after receiving Communion, because we want to show reverence during these most sacred moments.
 
Thank you so much for the information also could you tell me what is proper for a non catholic to do during mass and also about the blessings you may recieve from the priest i have been told that you can go up with your arms crossed on your chest and recieve a blessing. I really would like to understand what is going on.
 
A non-Catholic can do everything a Catholic can do during Mass except receive Communion. During Communion, you should just stay in your pew and pray. (Some people suggest that non-Catholics can go up with your arms crossed on your chest and receiving a blessing, however that is not the best practice.)

The reason non-Catholics should not receive Communion is people who receive Communion should believe that the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ and be receiving it worthily. There needs to be catechesis, or education in the Catholic faith, to ensure that the person understands and believes what the Church teaches, and the person needs to go through the sacraments of initiation to be formally accepted into the Church, before the person may receive Communion.
 
Thank you so much for the information also could you tell me what is proper for a non catholic to do during mass and also about the blessings you may recieve from the priest i have been told that you can go up with your arms crossed on your chest and recieve a blessing. I really would like to understand what is going on.
Non-catholics may participate in mass as much as you feel comfortable. The only exception to this is you can’t receive communion.

As for receiving a blessing at communion, this can be a bit of a hot topic. Many parishes encourage it, but it seems to be one of those add-ons that isn’t really allowed. You can also stay in your pew and make a spiritual communion. Here is one:
My Jesus,
I believe that You
are present in the Most Holy Sacrament.
I love You above all things,
and I desire to receive You into my soul.
Since I cannot at this moment
receive You sacramentally,
come at least spiritually into my heart. I embrace You as if You were already there and unite myself wholly to You. Never permit me to be separated from You.
 
Non-catholics may participate in mass as much as you feel comfortable. The only exception to this is you can’t receive communion.

As for receiving a blessing at communion, this can be a bit of a hot topic. Many parishes encourage it, but it seems to be one of those add-ons that isn’t really allowed. You can also stay in your pew and make a spiritual communion. Here is one:
HUH!

Where did you get that from? Ive been going up arms crossed for my entire childhood and teenage life, until I get confirmed!

Please enlighten me! :o
 
So people have told me it is ok and some say it is not. I did it about 3 wks ago when i attended a sunday night mass and the priest gave me a blessing with a big smile. No one said anything about it. But I have read of some parishes that don’t like it.
 
HUH!

Where did you get that from? Ive been going up arms crossed for my entire childhood and teenage life, until I get confirmed!

Please enlighten me! :o
Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (Protocol No. 930/08/L):
Quote:
  1. The liturgical blessing of the Holy Mass is properly given to each and to all at the conclusion of the Mass, just a few moments subsequent to the distribution of Holy Communion.
  2. Lay people, within the context of Holy Mass, are unable to confer blessings. These blessings, rather, are the competence of the priest (cf. Ecclesia de Mysterio, Notitiae 34 (15 Aug. 1997), art. 6, § 2; Canon 1169, § 2; and Roman Ritual De Benedictionibus (1985), n. 18).
  3. Furthermore, the laying on of a hand or hands — which has its own sacramental significance, inappropriate here — by those distributing Holy Communion, in substitution for its reception, is to be explicitly discouraged.
  4. The Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio n. 84, “forbids any pastor, for whatever reason to pretext even of a pastoral nature, to perform ceremonies of any kind for divorced people who remarry”. To be feared is that any form of blessing in substitution for communion would give the impression that the divorced and remarried have been returned, in some sense, to the status of Catholics in good standing.
  5. In a similar way, for others who are not to be admitted to Holy Communion in accord with the norm of law, the Church’s discipline has already made clear that they should not approach Holy Communion nor receive a blessing. This would include non-Catholics and those envisaged in can. 915 (i.e., those under the penalty of excommunication or interdict, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin).
 
Where did you get that from? Ive been going up arms crossed for my entire childhood and teenage life, until I get confirmed!

Please enlighten me! :o
MANY parishes allow/encourage it. But there has been some documents from Rome that say it shouldn’t be happening. You can search the forums or it wouldn’t surprise me if someone ends up in here with them soon. It also seems to be more common in some areas and not so much in others. 🤷
So people have told me it is ok and some say it is not. I did it about 3 wks ago when i attended a sunday night mass and the priest gave me a blessing with a big smile. No one said anything about it. But I have read of some parishes that don’t like it.
Ya, it can become a bit confusing. It sounds like it is at least somewhat common practice at your parish since you priest knew what was going on and seemed happy to do it. It is really up to you. I went up for a blessing about half of the time when I went to Mass before becoming Catholic. My parish encourages it, so I went.
 
Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (Protocol No. 930/08/L):
Quote:
  1. The liturgical blessing of the Holy Mass is properly given to each and to all at the conclusion of the Mass, just a few moments subsequent to the distribution of Holy Communion.
  2. Lay people, within the context of Holy Mass, are unable to confer blessings. These blessings, rather, are the competence of the priest (cf. Ecclesia de Mysterio, Notitiae 34 (15 Aug. 1997), art. 6, § 2; Canon 1169, § 2; and Roman Ritual De Benedictionibus (1985), n. 18).
  3. Furthermore, the laying on of a hand or hands — which has its own sacramental significance, inappropriate here — by those distributing Holy Communion, in substitution for its reception, is to be explicitly discouraged.
  4. The Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio n. 84, “forbids any pastor, for whatever reason to pretext even of a pastoral nature, to perform ceremonies of any kind for divorced people who remarry”. To be feared is that any form of blessing in substitution for communion would give the impression that the divorced and remarried have been returned, in some sense, to the status of Catholics in good standing.
  5. In a similar way, for others who are not to be admitted to Holy Communion in accord with the norm of law, the Church’s discipline has already made clear that they should not approach Holy Communion nor receive a blessing. This would include non-Catholics and those envisaged in can. 915 (i.e., those under the penalty of excommunication or interdict, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin).
If this is honestly not supposed to be happening then I obviously do not want to go against some that is set to be followed… by the way is this a rule or law or what and what exactly is the canon and what does it mean.
 
Thank you so much for the information also could you tell me what is proper for a non catholic to do during mass and also about the blessings you may recieve from the priest i have been told that you can go up with your arms crossed on your chest and recieve a blessing. I really would like to understand what is going on.
Here’s the Profession of Faith one must pledge publicly before the priest and the congregation when one becomes a Catholic:

“I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God.”

To receive Holy Communion before formal acceptance into the Church is not permitted. Read 1 Corinthians 11:23-30. The Church guards the souls of non-Catholics as well as the Blessed Eucharist by not permitting Holy Communion until all the teachings of the Church are understood and formally accepted. It has been so since the Church was founded by Christ for the salvation of the world.

But you may do everything else a Catholic does at Mass, but you are not required to, as others have indicated. Do whatever you feel comfortable doing is good advice. You may even take Holy Water home with you in a small container to bless yourself anytime you feel the need. If you want to do this, ask someone where the container is for Holy Water to take home if you don’t see it. Bring your own container. You can buy Holy Water bottles in Catholic religious stores for this purpose.

Holy Water was used in Judaism. “And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel . . .” Numbers 5:18. Since the Catholic faith is the fulfillment of Judaism, many Jewish customs and practices are seen in the Church.

A really good book that will help you understand is Why Do Catholics Do That? by Kevin Orlin Johnson.

I’m a former Southern Baptist, agnostic, atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!

Peace be with you.
 
If this is honestly not supposed to be happening then I obviously do not want to go against some that is set to be followed… by the way is this a rule or law or what and what exactly is the canon and what does it mean.
It’s a directive from the Vatican, from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It means that blessings in lieu of Communion are not permitted.

“Therefore no other person, not even a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority” Documents of Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium.

See the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1124 and 1125: “. . . no sacramental rite may be modified or manipulated at the will of the minister of the community. Even the supreme authority in the Church may not change the liturgy arbitrarily, but only in the obedience of faith, and with religious respect for the mystery of the liturgy.”

The authorized liturgy does not include these blessings. The entire congregation is blessed a few minutes later.

The practice continues in some dioceses in spite of Vatican II and the CCC, so the Vatican issued this order. It used to be done in my diocese, but when we got a new bishop, it came to a screeching halt. A person may not want to leave their young children alone in the pew. Catholic children who accompany their parents with their arms crossed are told “May Jesus be in your heart” – no gestures. No blessings are given. There are usually no adults with crossed arms in the Communion line, but if one should appear, the priest simply says “May Jesus be in your heart.”

The liturgy belongs to the universal Church.and is not to be changed. There are parts of the Mass that allow for personal expression, but Communion is not one of them.

Peace be with you.

Edit to add: The Catechism is available on line at many websites. I like www.stcharlesborromeo.org. They also have a ton of information about the Church.
 
I don’t remember exactly what the priest said but I believed it to be along those lines.
 
MANY parishes allow/encourage it. But there has been some documents from Rome that say it shouldn’t be happening. You can search the forums or it wouldn’t surprise me if someone ends up in here with them soon. It also seems to be more common in some areas and not so much in others. 🤷

Ya, it can become a bit confusing. It sounds like it is at least somewhat common practice at your parish since you priest knew what was going on and seemed happy to do it. It is really up to you. I went up for a blessing about half of the time when I went to Mass before becoming Catholic. My parish encourages it, so I went.
How do you feel about it? Do you think it’s okay for a parish to go against the rules of the Church? Is this a case where they should know and don’t? Or they do know and are deliberately disobedient? Just wondering.
 
It’s a directive from the Vatican, from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It means that blessings in lieu of Communion are not permitted.

“Therefore no other person, not even a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority” Documents of Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium.

See the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1124 and 1125: “. . . no sacramental rite may be modified or manipulated at the will of the minister of the community. Even the supreme authority in the Church may not change the liturgy arbitrarily, but only in the obedience of faith, and with religious respect for the mystery of the liturgy.”

The authorized liturgy does not include these blessings. The entire congregation is blessed a few minutes later.

The practice continues in some dioceses in spite of Vatican II and the CCC, so the Vatican issued this order. It used to be done in my diocese, but when we got a new bishop, it came to a screeching halt. A person may not want to leave their young children alone in the pew. Catholic children who accompany their parents with their arms crossed are told “May Jesus be in your heart” – no gestures. No blessings are given. There are usually no adults with crossed arms in the Communion line, but if one should appear, the priest simply says “May Jesus be in your heart.”

The liturgy belongs to the universal Church.and is not to be changed. There are parts of the Mass that allow for personal expression, but Communion is not one of them.

Peace be with you.

Edit to add: The Catechism is available on line at many websites. I like www.stcharlesborromeo.org. They also have a ton of information about the Church.
Just noticed a typo in my post. It should read:

“. . .no sacramental rite may be modified or manipulated at the will of the minister ***OR ***the community.” Sorry 'bout that.
 
HUH!

Where did you get that from? Ive been going up arms crossed for my entire childhood and teenage life, until I get confirmed!

Please enlighten me! :o
Do you mean that you have not made your First Communion? That usually occurs around the age of 7. You are eligible to receive Communion after that. No need to wait for Confirmation!
 
In the post-modern – even post-Christian – world of today, kneeling is looked upon as a posture that is no longer necessary. Cardinal Ratzinger provides two modern hypothetical arguments against kneeling: “It’s not right for a grown man to do this – he should face God on his feet,” and “It’s not appropriate for redeemed man – he has been set free by Christ and doesn’t need to kneel any more.” (The Spirit of the Liturgy, p. 185) On the contrary, Ratzinger shows that kneeling is a posture learned through knowledge of God, and the early Church gives strong witness to its use.

Throughout Scripture, we read of people kneeling or falling to their knees. The Hebrew words for “knee” and “to kneel” sound similar: berek and barak. Because the knees were a symbol of strength to the Hebrews, “to bend the knee [is] to bend our strength before the living God.” (The Spirit of the Liturgy, p. 191) After the Temple in Jerusalem was completed, King Solomon knelt in the sight of all who were assembled, and he prayed aloud in thanksgiving and supplication to the Lord. (cf. Chr. 6:13ff) After fasting, Ezra fell to his knees and prayed to God in sorrow and contrition for the sins of his people. (cf. Ezra 9:5ff) Psalm 95:6 identifies bowing and kneeling as expressions of worship before the majesty of God. The prophet Daniel prayed on his knees facing Jerusalem three times a day. (cf. Dan. 6:10)

In the gospels, people who come up to Jesus to ask for healing often fall to their knees in His presence, whether lepers (cf. Mark 1:40), parents of those possessed by demons (cf. Matt. 17:14), rulers (cf. Matt. 9:18), or Gentile women. (cf. Matt. 15:25) St. Peter “fell down at Jesus’ knees” in contrition when he witnessed a miraculous catch of fish at the Lord’s command. (Luke 5:8) The mother of two of Jesus’ apostles knelt before Him to ask a favor (cf. Matt. 20:20), as did a young man who sought His wisdom on attaining eternal life. (cf. Mark 10:17)

During His agony in the Garden of Gethsemane, St. Luke records that Jesus himself knelt to pray to His Father. (cf. Luke 22:14) Cardinal Ratzinger notes that St. Luke records the parallels between St. Stephen’s martyrdom and the Passion and crucifixion of Christ (for Whom Stephen was dying): as Stephen is being stoned, he kneels and prays aloud, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (Acts 7:59; cf. Luke 23:46) and “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” (Acts 7:60; cf. Luke 23:34) These similarites lead Cardinal Ratzinger to conclude that kneeling “is not only a Christian gesture, but a Christological one.” (The Spirit of the Liturgy, p. 192)

Elsewhere in the book of Acts, we read that St. Peter (9:40), St. Paul (20:36), and indeed the whole Christian community (21:5) prayed on their knees. In his letter to the Ephesians, St. Paul confesses “I bow my knees before the Father.” (Eph. 3:14) In the heavenly liturgy described in the book of the Revelation, St. John sees “the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders [falling] down before the Lamb” in worship. (Rev. 5:8) St. Paul interprets the words of God in Isaiah 45:23 – “to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” – in light of Jesus Christ: “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow … and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.” (Phil. 2:10-11) In a story from the Desert Fathers, the devil is characterized as having no knees. “The inability to kneel is seen as the very essence of the diabolical.” (The Spirit of the Liturgy, p. 193)

Kneeling and standing are the two sides of reverence; kneeling is “the side of worship in rest and quietness.” (Sacred Signs, p. 22) In its various contexts, it conveys adoration, petition, and contrition. During the Mass, we kneel for the Eucharistic Prayer, after the “Lamb of God,” and, if we so choose, after receiving Communion. We kneel at the death of the Lord during the reading of the Passion, and during the Prayer of the Faithful on Good Friday.

Praying the Mass: The Prayers of the People, pp. 37-39​
 
As for receiving a blessing at communion, this can be a bit of a hot topic. Many parishes encourage it, but it seems to be one of those add-ons that isn’t really allowed. You can also stay in your pew and make a spiritual communion. Here is one:
The problem with ‘blessing’ is that only priest or bishops have the right to bless officially, and the communion in the majority of the parishes is distributed by laymen and laywomen. They are not authorized to bless.

As for the kneeling the original posture was the proskunesis (acting like dogs, falling to one’s nose before the Lord venia, prostration) expressing our humble relationship to God. The remainder is the kneeling posture, a sign of humility in front to God, not necessarily for the real presence in the Eucharist, but before the omnipresent God; so even at home

As somebody pointed out the real presence of our Lord requires the genuflection at some point when entering the Church or when crossing the tabernacle.

These are external signs to express our mindset.
 
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