Please Will Any Non-cathloic Tell Me What Is Wrong With This Pray

[Bill_Pick]

Hail Mary full of Grace (Luke 1:26
The Lord is with you (Luke 1:26
Blessed are you among women Luke 1:42
And Blessed is the Fruit of Your womb Luke 1:43
Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

 

[JonNC]

Hail Mary full of Grace (Luke 1:26
The Lord is with you (Luke 1:26
Blessed are you among women Luke 1:42
And Blessed is the Fruit of Your womb Luke 1:43
Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

Amen.

Absolutely nothing, Bill! Though I would term it a verse of praise, rather than a prayer.

Jon

 

[Jean_1958]

Absolutely nothing, Bill! Though I would term it a verse of praise, rather than a prayer.

So do you consider The Our Father a verse of praise as well?

Many times we think of prayer as that which is prayed for, but it can also be:

a petition to God or an object veneration;
a spiritual communion with God or an object of veneration; or
the act or practice of praying to God or an object of veneration.

A prayer can also be a formula or sequence of words used in or appointed for praying, e.g. The Lord’s Prayer.

Hope this helps.

Jean

 

[With_Questions]

Hail Mary full of Grace (Luke 1:26
The Lord is with you (Luke 1:26
Blessed are you among women Luke 1:42
And Blessed is the Fruit of Your womb Luke 1:43
Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

Seeing where it is based on Scripture, fine with me.

My version has Mother of my Lord which I prefer to Mother of God. But that is nitpicky I suppose since Jesus is deity and Mary is His mother.

Funny thing this all came up in all places youth band last week. But that is a different story.

Now when it is addressed as a prayer to Mary, then to me anyway it gets a little sketchy. But since I really do not want to debate the practice of talking to physically dead people who have gone on to be with the Lord, I think I will pass on it.

 

[Jean_1958]

Now when it is addressed as a prayer to Mary, then to me anyway it gets a little sketchy. But since I really do not want to debate the practice of talking to physically dead people who have gone on to be with the Lord, I think I will pass on it.

Mary may be physically dead, but she is alive in Heaven with our God and Lord Jesus Christ.

Jean

 

[JonNC]

So do you consider The Our Father a verse of praise as well?

Many times we think of prayer as that which is prayed for, but it can also be:

a petition to God or an object veneration; a spiritual communion with God or an object of veneration; or the act or practice of praying to God or an object of veneration.

A prayer can also be a formula or sequence of words used in or appointed for praying, e.g. The Lord’s Prayer.

Hope this helps.

Jean

Hi Jean,
As the Our Father is a prayer to God, it is, well, a prayer.
Of course, if one were to finish the “Hail Mary”,
“pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.”
now it would be a prayer as defined as a request of someone to do something.
As Bill typed it, I guess a Catholic would consider it a prayer. As Lutherans don’t invoke the BVM, I woould consider it a verse of high praise to the Theotokos.

Jon

 

[With_Questions]

Mary may be physically dead, but she is alive in Heaven with our God and Lord Jesus Christ.

Jean

Yeah I know that. In anticipation of that response, I took pains to precede the word dead by the adjective “physically”.

 

[Jean_1958]

JohnNC,

You just said that the Hail Mary, if finished, is a request of someone to do something. A prayer, as I stated prior, is a petition to God or an object veneration. So, it is a prayer by default given the dictionary’s definition of what a prayer is.

By the way, Martin Luther continued to pray to Mary and venerate her following the Reformation. I would like to think that ANY good Lutheran today would also do that if they were to consider themselves a TRUE Lutheran.

God Bless,

Jean

 

[John7]

Hail Mary full of Grace (Luke 1:26
The Lord is with you (Luke 1:26
Blessed are you among women Luke 1:42
And Blessed is the Fruit of Your womb Luke 1:43
Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

I don’t think its wrong if recite it once in a while…but saying it thousands of times a day like the nuns I see on EWTN…I dunno, I don’t feel comfortable with that.

 

[JonNC]

JohnNC,

You just said that the Hail Mary, if finished, is a request of someone to do something. A prayer, as I stated prior, is a petition to God or an object veneration. So, it is a prayer by default given the dictionary’s definition of what a prayer is.

By the way, Martin Luther continued to pray to Mary and venerate her following the Reformation. I would like to think that ANY good Lutheran today would also do that if they were to consider themselves a TRUE Lutheran.

God Bless,

Jean

Hi Jean,
Here is what the Augsburg Confession says about invocation of Saints:

1] Of the Worship of Saints they teach that the memory of saints may be set before us, that we may follow their faith and good works, according to our calling, as the Emperor may follow the example of David in making war to drive away the Turk from his country. 2] For both are kings. But the Scripture teaches not the invocation of saints or to ask help of saints, since it sets before us the one Christ as the Mediator, Propitiation, High Priest, and Intercessor. 3] He is to be prayed to, and has promised that He will hear our prayer; and this worship He approves above all, to wit, that in all afflictions He be called upon, 1 John 2:1: 4] If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, etc.

Jon

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

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Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

I have Authorized version , Editor John Stirling . Mother of God is not mentioned here.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Hail Mary full of Grace (Luke 1:26
The Lord is with you (Luke 1:26
Blessed are you among women Luke 1:42
And Blessed is the Fruit of Your womb Luke 1:43
Holy Mary, Mother of God Luke 1:35

I know Jesus is very happy that we love and honor His Mother so much.

**“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D… **

 

[JonNC]

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Salaam/peace
I have Authorized version , Editor John Stirling . Mother of God is not mentioned here.

True, but it is implied: “Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”

Jon

 

[dianaiad]

Amen.

Absolutely nothing, Bill! Though I would term it a verse of praise, rather than a prayer.

Jon

As would I…and as such, (a poem of praise) I see nothing wrong with it either.

I disagree with the idea of reciting it as if it were a prayer, but then I don’t believe we need to ask Mary to intercede for us with God.

But Catholics like the idea, so…leave 'em alone about it.

 

[JonNC]

As would I…and as such, (a poem of praise) I see nothing wrong with it either.

I disagree with the idea of reciting it as if it were a prayer, but then I don’t believe we need to ask Mary to intercede for us with God.

But Catholics like the idea, so…leave 'em alone about it.

 

[KestrelRose]

As would I…and as such, (a poem of praise) I see nothing wrong with it either.

I disagree with the idea of reciting it as if it were a prayer, but then I don’t believe we need to ask Mary to intercede for us with God.

But Catholics like the idea, so…leave 'em alone about it.

When you say that you will pray for someone you love, are you not in some sense interceding for them? When I pray the Rosary, that is what I am asking of Mary - to pray for me. I pray for my family, children and friends in that same light.

I think that all Christians ask each other to pray for each other.

I don’t think of Mary interceding for me. It is more like asking my mother to pray for me.

 

[Jean_1958]

I disagree with the idea of reciting it as if it were a prayer, but then I don’t believe we need to ask Mary to intercede for us with God.

But Catholics like the idea, so…leave 'em alone about it.

Well, you non-Catholics like the idea of asking your pastors and fellow congregation members to pray for you, your family members, and friends when you (they) are ill, experiencing wordly hardships, and the like. Your pastors and fellow congregation members are interceding on your behalf when they do. So, how is that any different when we Catholics ask our dead loved ones, Mary, Jesus, and the Saints to pray for us or our loved ones? Granted, they are physically dead, as With Questions, has already stated, but we Catholics view them as living people in Heaven and if God wills it and hears us then he can will the dead who are now living in Heaven to hear us as well. After all, God is omnipotent (all-powerful), is he not?

When you say it is stupid or useless or wrong for us Catholics to ask our dead loved ones, Mary, Jesus, and the Saints to interced on our behalf through prayer because they are dead and cannot hear us *then *you are limiting God’s power.

God Bless,

Jean

 

[With_Questions]

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Salaam/peace

I have Authorized version , Editor John Stirling . Mother of God is not mentioned here.

I think that maybe the original poster meant Luke 1:43.

 

[dianaiad]

When you say that you will pray for someone you love, are you not in some sense interceding for them? When I pray the Rosary, that is what I am asking of Mary - to pray for me. I pray for my family, children and friends in that same light.

I think that all Christians ask each other to pray for each other.

I don’t think of Mary interceding for me. It is more like asking my mother to pray for me.

Same thing.

I’m on your side in this, remember? Just because I don’t do it or see the need for it doesn’t mean that I don’t understand how it works.

Or that I feel any need to criticize those who find comfort in it.

 

[dianaiad]

Well, you non-Catholics like the idea of asking your pastors and fellow congregation members to pray for you, your family members, and friends when you (they) are ill, experiencing wordly hardships, and the like. Your pastors and fellow congregation members are interceding on your behalf when they do. So, how is that any different when we Catholics ask our dead loved ones, Mary, Jesus, and the Saints to pray for us or our loved ones? Granted, they are physically dead, as With Questions, has already stated, but we Catholics view them as living people in Heaven and if God wills it and hears us then he can will the dead who are now living in Heaven to hear us as well. After all, God is omnipotent (all-powerful), is he not?

When you say it is stupid or useless or wrong for us Catholics to ask our dead loved ones, Mary, Jesus, and the Saints to interced on our behalf through prayer because they are dead and cannot hear us *then *you are limiting God’s power.

God Bless,

Jean

I give up.