Please write to the editor of the LA diocese newspaper Tidings. This is outrageous!

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frommi:
Not suggesting that one would want to kill a person who has been born.

What am I noting is that it’s very interesting how people will throw weight behind a politician who says they are “pro-life”, which really means anti-abortion, because a lot of the children who are not aborted are born into situations of poverty and despair. Poverty and despair not alleviated when the same politician cuts public assistance for them.

Or how about the “pro-family” politician who speaks out against gay marriage, but also cuts welfare making it impossible for a mother to raise her children at home, instead having to take a bus to work a minimum wage job.

When are people going to see that politicians use these issues to maintain their own power…not because of faithfulness to a particular cause.
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This is so true. Look at the new federal budget. It’s the poor who lose while the rich get more tax cuts. These people don’t care about families. We’re suppossed to know them by their fruit and I know a rotten apple when I see it.
 
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seabird3579:
A bishop’s teaching authority comes from the Magisterium in Rome. If a bishop teaches something contrary to the Magisterium, it could very well be heresy. In that case, you not only have the right to reject his teachings in favor or Rome’s, *you have a duty * to do it!
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That would require the bishop to be teaching a heresy. A concept many discuss, but few understand.
 
"Herr Hitler,

Nice job with those trains…We’d like to express our appreciation by honoring you at the annual Catholic “you made-a-difference” dinner…"

OF COURSE it matters when someone is violating a non-negotiable moral teaching of the Church. No one is perfect, but these awards imply approval of the person --not just the good we might catch him or her doing in the midst of the evil. Catholic organizations must consider scandalous behavior when making awards and inviting speakers… The bishops agreed they would not honor such people, and they should follow their own policy. Poverty is bad, maybe even very bad, but it can’t compete with the murder of millions of innocent unborn children. Nor is there only one Church-approved way to address “poverty” as many in and out of the Church have pointed out. According to Mother Theresa, “it is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
 
Penny Plain:
Another answer (and the one I choose, obviously) is that we praise the good in people whenever we find it. The Mayor works tirelessly on behalf of the poor? That’s a good thing. We’re supposed to do that.

The Mayor has done something good? We pat him on the head and say, “Good job, Mayor. We think you’re living this aspect of your Catholic faith to the fullest, and you’re a good example to others in this aspect. Now can we work on …?”

The alternative is to say, “Mayor, you do some things that are very bad. Because of that, we refuse to praise you for any good acts that you do.” Our standards are very high, and (as somebody pointed out) few, if any, politicians are going to meet them. If they realize they can’t, they’re going to stop listening to us and stop trying to please us by doing any good at all.

We will be marginalized and ignored as a bunch of religious nuts who are impossible to please. How does that help anyone? How does it feed the hungry or give drink to the thirsty? How does it bring clothing to the naked or warmth to the cold or justice to anyone?

We have to take our wins where we find them. It sounds like Boston could have a much better mayor. But it also could have a much worse mayor, and we would be wise to be mindful of that. “Gentle as doves and subtle as serpents,” and all that.
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Very well put. It’s an ideal approach but many times the problem is that the influential people who are praising men like the mayor for the charitible things he has done would neglect to tell him where he is erring you know admonish the sinner.

The other thing is how does one do this without appearing as though they are condoning the immoral activities of the person in question?
 
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GloriaPatri4:
The other thing is how does one do this without appearing as though they are condoning the immoral activities of the person in question?
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Let me ask you this: Do you think anyone in the world with any sense at all thinks that Catholic Charities approves of the mayor’s position on abortion?
 
Confiteor said:
"Herr Hitler,

Nice job with those trains…We’d like to express our appreciation by honoring you at the annual Catholic “you made-a-difference” dinner…"
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Actually, it’s Mussolini who’s credited with making the trains run on time. If you’re going to keep hauling out this tired cliche, at least get it right.

Then maybe you can explain the part where Jesus commanded us to make public transportation run on time and compare it to His teachings on our duties to the poor and unfortunate.
 
Penny Plain:
Let me ask you this: Do you think anyone in the world with any sense at all thinks that Catholic Charities approves of the mayor’s position on abortion?
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As a matter a fact, yes I do. I know many senseless Catholics who are very active in their parishes and consider themselves in good standing in the church and still think there is nothing wrong with abortion, same sex marriages, contraception, etc, etc. So it would not surprise me if some would get the idea that CC aproves of the mayor’s position because there may be people within CC who themselves think nothing of abortion.
 
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GloriaPatri4:
As a matter a fact, yes I do. I know many senseless Catholics who are very active in their parishes and consider themselves in good standing in the church and still think there is nothing wrong with abortion, same sex marriages, contraception, etc, etc. So it would not surprise me if some would get the idea that CC aproves of the mayor’s position because there may be people within CC who themselves think nothing of abortion.
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Ah…you see…you go off calling them ‘senseless’ catholics…

At some point, people are going to have to see that many active and faithful catholics struggle with some of these “non-negotiable” teachings for well thought out reasons, that actually do make “sense”.

I’m not saying the teachings or rules need to be changed…but why anyone who dares to see things from a different perspective is called “senseless” is not particularly helpful to the conversion of hearts in either direction.

If you’re hoping to change minds and hearts, I don’t think calling people “senseless” is gonna open them up to a new way of thinking.
 
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frommi:
Ah…you see…you go off calling them ‘senseless’ catholics…

At some point, people are going to have to see that many active and faithful catholics struggle with some of these “non-negotiable” teachings for well thought out reasons, that actually do make “sense”.

I’m not saying the teachings or rules need to be changed…but why anyone who dares to see things from a different perspective is called “senseless” is not particularly helpful to the conversion of hearts in either direction.

If you’re hoping to change minds and hearts, I don’t think calling people “senseless” is gonna open them up to a new way of thinking.
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Not to worry Frommi, I and people like myself are in the minority and the senseless Catholics as I have labeled them are the majority. The majority (and I’m not just talking about lay people) has labeled us as ultra conservative, narrow minded, fundamentalists,and they say we need to get with the times. They label us simply because we are trying to adhere to the church teachings. Oh, and Frommi you want to know who is in charge in most diocese in the U.S.? The majority.

Many times the senseless (lay) Catholics have been lead astray by bad bishops and priests and because they put so much faith and trust in these men they won’t go looking for the truth they think they’ve found it. I know many women who are using birth control and justify it by saying “well I went to confession to Father so and so and he said it was alright”. So the priests and nuns who are teaching the senseless have an agenda and that agenda is to modernize the church and change church teachings and the senseless just follow along because they think that this is true Catholicism. You want to know what makes me such an expert on the senseless Catholics, Frommi? I was one of the senseless Catholics and I trusted most everything the priests were saying and then one day I met an older priest from the Pre-Vat II era that told me what was what and then I went looking for the truth. I had to completely re-educate myself on what I thought was authentic church teaching. I believe most of the senseless are senseless because they did not have proper formation and then to make matters worse they rarely ever hear the truth at Mass.
 
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GloriaPatri4:
I believe most of the senseless are senseless because they did not have proper formation and then to make matters worse they rarely ever hear the truth at Mass.
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I disagree wholeheartedly that it’s a lack of proper formation. That’s simply not fair.

The key to conversion is going to be assuming that both sides have goodwill in their heart.

The idea that a pre-vatican II priest held the “truth” like a prize seems disingenious and does not give credence to the many great priests, bishops, and laity who have called us to question and wonder.
 
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