Plenary indulgences and freedom from attachment to sin.

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We know that a plenary indulgence, requires the usual conditions including the activity to which the indulgence is attached, such as reading the bible for 1/2 hour; confession, praying for the intentions of the pope, etc. Additionally one must maintain a freedom from attachment to any sin, even venial sin. That is very difficult for any extended period of time. Idealy we would like to become free from any attachment to sin for the rest of our lives, however this is probably not possible. So my question is, is it sufficient to maintain freedom from attachment to any sin for the duration of the activity to which the indulgence is attached in order for the indulgence to be plenary?
 
I guess (although I’m not sure) at the time of receiving the indulgence you should aim to be free from all attachment to venial sin for the rest of your life. An indulgence only covers the temporal punishment of sins commited in the past it doesn’t cover future sins.

This does not mean we can stop sinning altogether, that is impossible in this life. Attachment to sin means we like commiting it, we want to and even plan to do it.
The parable of the prodigal son is a great example, the elder son is bitter when is brother returns. He was bitter because his brother got to do what he wanted to do but didn’t dare. Even though he didn’t commit the sins his brother did, he secretley wanted to, that is attachment to sin.

We can give up all mortal sin, all attachment to mortal sin and all attachment to venial sin, but we will not be entirely free of veniel sin.
 
I guess (although I’m not sure) at the time of receiving the indulgence you should aim to be free from all attachment to venial sin for the rest of your life. An indulgence only covers the temporal punishment of sins commited in the past it doesn’t cover future sins.

This does not mean we can stop sinning altogether, that is impossible in this life. Attachment to sin means we like commiting it, we want to and even plan to do it.
The parable of the prodigal son is a great example, the elder son is bitter when is brother returns. He was bitter because his brother got to do what he wanted to do but didn’t dare. Even though he didn’t commit the sins his brother did, he secretley wanted to, that is attachment to sin.

We can give up all mortal sin, all attachment to mortal sin and all attachment to venial sin, but we will not be entirely free of veniel sin.
I should have mentioned that the plenary indulgences are for deceased loved ones, quite a few in the last few years.
 
We should always strive to be free from attachment to sin. We don’t always “get it right,” but that should be our goal.

With regard to the question of how detached we need to be in order to gain a plenary indulgence, we just have to leave that to God’s judgment and His mercy. Perform the indulgenced works to the best of your ability, try to develop a hatred for all sin so that there is no sin that you “like” a little too much. We just do the best we can, and God will take care of the rest. Even if we are not sure we have obtained a plenary indulgence, we probably gain at least a partial indulgence, and we personally benefit spiritually from the prayers, confession, and Communion involved in trying to obtain the indulgence. Nothing to lose here; it’s all good!
 
We should always strive to be free from attachment to sin. We don’t always “get it right,” but that should be our goal.

With regard to the question of how detached we need to be in order to gain a plenary indulgence, we just have to leave that to God’s judgment and His mercy. Perform the indulgenced works to the best of your ability, try to develop a hatred for all sin so that there is no sin that you “like” a little too much. We just do the best we can, and God will take care of the rest. Even if we are not sure we have obtained a plenary indulgence, we probably gain at least a partial indulgence, and we personally benefit spiritually from the prayers, confession, and Communion involved in trying to obtain the indulgence. Nothing to lose here; it’s all good!
Yes, one must maintain a freedom from any attachment to any sin whatsoever, even venial sin. My question isn’t really about degree, it is quite clear that we must have no attachment to sin whatsoever. My question is how long we must maintain it. I believe that we can achieve the correct degree, just not for very long.
So, to reiterate, is it sufficient to maintain freedom from attachment to any sin for the duration of the activity to which the indulgence is attached in order for the indulgence to be plenary?
 
Yes, one must maintain a freedom from any attachment to any sin whatsoever, even venial sin. My question isn’t really about degree, it is quite clear that we must have no attachment to sin whatsoever. My question is how long we must maintain it. I believe that we can achieve the correct degree, just not for very long.
So, to reiterate, is it sufficient to maintain freedom from attachment to any sin for the duration of the activity to which the indulgence is attached in order for the indulgence to be plenary?
As I recall it is necessary to have it at the time of receiving the indulgence. I think that is the time of doing the work prescribed.

I suspect that it is also necessary to have the intent to maintain it; even though we know that we will probably not succeed. Much as we must have the intent not mortally sin again in a good Confession; though we recognize that in our weakness we may fail in that intent.
 
I am not a theologian, but I think attachment to sin has to do with situations under your control rather than situations that just come up. For example, it means avoiding occasions of sin, truly repenting of habitual sins, and not “reminiscing” about sins you’ve committed in the past. (By that last one, I mean, for example, thinking back fondly to your wild college days with drinking, partying, etc.)

It doesn’t mean that you don’t sin at all, but that you free yourself from being attached to such things.
 
As I recall it is necessary to have it at the time of receiving the indulgence. I think that is the time of doing the work prescribed.

I suspect that it is also necessary to have the intent to maintain it; even though we know that we will probably not succeed. Much as we must have the intent not mortally sin again in a good Confession; though we recognize that in our weakness we may fail in that intent.
Yes, I think that makes sense. I had asked our priest, but didn’t want to discuss it. Something about it being “old theology” and “we don’t have that any more”, so I know he wasn’t going to be able to help. Thank God for Catholic Answers. I mean Literally - Thank you Lord!
 
Yes, I think that makes sense. I had asked our priest, but didn’t want to discuss it. Something about it being “old theology” and “we don’t have that any more”, so I know he wasn’t going to be able to help. Thank God for Catholic Answers. I mean Literally - Thank you Lord!
Your priest’s comment about “old theology” made me snicker. It reminded me of a line of argument I heard that, transferred to this context, would go something like, “Was God wrong in the 1500s, or is He wrong now? When did He change His mind?”

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Yes, I think that makes sense. I had asked our priest, but didn’t want to discuss it. Something about it being “old theology” and “we don’t have that any more”, so I know he wasn’t going to be able to help. Thank God for Catholic Answers. I mean Literally - Thank you Lord!
Yes, absolutely. The problem is, where can I, simple Joe Catholic in the pew, get good guidance in Authentic Catholic teaching now? That is what Jesus established His Church to do! God help us. I mean that literally, God please help us.
 
Yes, absolutely. The problem is, where can I, simple Joe Catholic in the pew, get good guidance in Authentic Catholic teaching now? That is what Jesus established His Church to do! God help us. I mean that literally, God please help us.
It is a lot easier with the Catechism to guide us. It has most of the basics in accessible form.
 
It is a lot easier with the Catechism to guide us. It has most of the basics in accessible form.
That’s right, but our priest says “that’s old theology, we don’t use that any more”. And that is all too common.
 
There was a major revision of the indulgences in 1967, and all existing norms were replaced, and the use of “partial indulgences” replace all those with a number of days or years. That may be what the “old theology” refers to. There are not so many plenary indulgences as before. A new document was released by the Apostolic Penitentiary of the Roman Curia and it has been revised and also translated into English for the United States. I bought a copy of it:

Manual of Indulgences, USCCB, Washington DC, 2006 (based on the fourth version – 1999 Enchiridion Indulgentiarum).

St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica) states that the lack of attachment to sin means: “so as to wish they had never been”. It is true contrition.

(See: Whether contrition is an assumed sorrow for sins, together with the purpose of confessing them and of making satisfaction for them?)

Some of what I gleaned from the book is below:

An indulgence is for yourself, or by sufferage, for the dead (not the living). The indulgence is remission of temporal punishment for sins for which the guilt has been forgiven.

One must be baptized, not excommunicated, in the state of grace by the end of the completion of the prescribed works, and have at least the general intention to gain the indulgence and do the works within the prescribed time frame.

So, to get the plenary indulgence (one max per day except at death):
  1. exclude all attachment to sin including venial (also called “a generous disposition of heart”)
  2. the indulgenced work *
  3. Eucharistic Communion (once per work) *
  4. prayers for the intentions of the Holy Father (Our Father, Hail Mary, or other) (once per work) *
  5. sacramental confession (within 20 days before or after the work) which may be applied to many plenary indulgences.
  • Best to do 2, 3, 4 on the same day.
For a partial indulgence (unlimited number):
  1. the indulgenced work
  2. a contrite heart
    And, with a partial indulgence, the Church adds an equal remission.
There are exceptions for deaf, mute, and for hardships.
 
That’s right, but our priest says “that’s old theology, we don’t use that any more”. And that is all too common.
Perhaps you should remind your Priest that almost All of what the Catholic church teaches is “Old Theology”, but who is he to pick & choose what is or isn’t to be used or referenced anymore?

Failing that advise the Bishop.
 
Plenary Indulgence? When is something “OLD” our religion in and of itself is “OLD” did not Jesus give Peter the keys to Heaven, and tell him it will stand the test of time and Satan will not prevail against it???
Old Theology? Every time I go to Mass I thank God for ‘old theology’ … because his Son gave us the Mass.
 
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