Plenary Indulgences ?

[Hiskid1973]

I lifted this from another thread…To someone who holds the scriptures as a lamp to our feet and a light to our path, this is pretty "out there…For those who practice this, can you show me scriptures and where this developed …

The means to obtain the indulgence, this favor, are as follows:
(A) All truly penitent priests who, on any day, devotedly pray Lauds or Vespers before the Blessed Sacrament exposed to public adoration or in the tabernacle, and … offer themselves with a ready and generous heart for the celebration of the Sacraments, especially the Sacrament of Penance, will be granted a Plenary Indulgence, which they can also apply to their deceased confreres, if in accordance with current norms they take Sacramental Confession and the Eucharist and pray in accordance with the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff. Priests are furthermore granted a Partial Indulgence, also applicable to deceased confreres, **every time they devotedly recite the prayers duly approved to lead a saintly life **and to carry out the duties entrusted to them.

(B) All truly penitent Christian faithful who, in church or oratory, devotedly attend Holy Mass and offer prayers to Jesus Christ, supreme and eternal Priest, for the priests of the Church, or perform any good work to sanctify and mold them to His Heart, are granted a Plenary Indulgence, on the condition that they have expiated their sins through Sacramental Confession and prayed in accordance with the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff. This may be done on the opening and closing days of the Year of Priests, on the 150th anniversary of the death of Saint John Mary Vianney, on the first Thursday of the month, or on any other day established by the ordinaries of particular places for the good of the faithful.

The elderly, the sick and all those who for any legitimate reason are unable to leave their homes, may still obtain a plenary indulgence if, with the soul completely removed from attachment to any form of sin and with the intention of observing, as soon as they can, the usual three conditions, "on the days concerned, they pray for the sanctification of priests and offer their sickness and suffering to God through Mary, Queen of the Apostles."

**A partial indulgence will be offered to the faithful each time they pray five “Our Father,” “Hail Mary,” and “Glory Be,” or any other duly approved prayer **“in honor of the Sacred Heart of Jesus to ask that priests maintain purity and sanctity of life.”

I can see biblical concepts here ie keeping from sin and repentance but the whole concept is ??? Like earning credits ??

 

[Scottgun]

Catholic Answers has a tract on this: Primer on Indulgences

 

[Jim_Dandy]

The Bible (and one needs to answer the question, Which Bible, Whose Canon?) does not contain God’s entire Revelation to man; such a claim is not in any of the collections of writings that different Christian groups call “the Bible.” So, I must ask you, why do you believe it?

Protestants lack the understanding that every sin – forgiven or unforgiven – has a temporal penalty. One has to understand this fact before one can begin to understand indulgences.

 

[Hiskid1973]

The Bible (and one needs to answer the question, Which Bible, Whose Canon?) does not contain God’s entire Revelation to man; such a claim is not in any of the collections of writings that different Christian groups call “the Bible.” So, I must ask you, why do you believe it?

Protestants lack the understanding that every sin – forgiven or unforgiven – has a temporal penalty. One has to understand this fact before one can begin to understand indulgences.

I do know this.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I know His word is a lamp and light
That we are to hide it in our heart to avoid sin
and
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[fdesales]

I do know this.

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Of course the Old Testament is PROFITABLE. Are you claiming that Paul taught that only the Old Testament could perfect the man of God?

Consult Eph 4:11-13 for ANOTHER means of perfecting the Christian…

Regards

 

[Hiskid1973]

Of course the Old Testament is PROFITABLE. Are you claiming that Paul taught that only the Old Testament could perfect the man of God?
Regards

Paul , you mean Timothy…Timothy knew Paul was an apostle

Where did you get that? Don’t you think that Timothy knew what was written ie Matt Mark Luke John Acts et. in the NT written by the apostles and spoke by Jesus was part of that scripture.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

Are you implying with these scriptures mean there would be “newer” teachings that would be the same as scripture from the original apostles…Aren’t these positions used for the teaching, maturing and spreading of the church not making up new scripture…Remember they were dealing with “mans” ideas even back then…

 

[Jim_Dandy]

I do know this.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I know His word is a lamp and light
That we are to hide it in our heart to avoid sin
and
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Indulgences are not about sin, per se, but about the temporal punishment due for each and every sin, even if forgiven.

Example: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away [forgiven] your sin; you shall not die. Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord, the child that is born to you shall die” (2 Sam 2:13-14). David was forgiven for arranging the death of Uriah so he could marry Uriah’s wife, Bethsheba, but there was a penalty for the sin, even though forgiven.

Hey, since the Bible is a collection of different writings – written by different people at different times and places for different audiences and purposes – don’tcha need an “inspired list” of the “inspired scriptures” before you can say what “all scripture” (2 Tm 3:16) means? Yep, yes, sí. St. Paul didn’t provide the list. Why? He was writing TO TIMOTHY and Timothy knew which scriptures Paul was writing about. The list of inspired scriptures is not in the Bible, so where is it? How are we to know? How does one prove “inspiration”? Anyway, Paul was referring to the Greek Septuagint – the only scriptures Timothy would have known since childhood and Paul’s own scriptures. And (most) Protestants reject the Septuagint. Go figure.

Paul was NOT writing about the NT, which didn’t exist until centuries later.

Did you read the article on indulgences suggested by Scottgun?

Peace be with you.