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gilliam
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It will probably be wise to remind ourselves that the synod’s final report is a private report to the Holy Father. It is not intended as a public document. If it is released, it may very well be in language not easily grasped by most laity. Hopefully, the Holy Father will come out with a public document not too long after the Synod.
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dfp42
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While this may be, it does make me wonder if some of those inside the synod will talk to the media. If it is a private event and private document then we shouldn’t expect to hear any real news from anyone but the pope himself and it could take years to know anything. He might decide not say anything at all and leave everyone in a sort of limbo. Has there been a gag order on what those inside are allowed to say or not say? Why even make it private news?It will probably be wise to remind ourselves that the synod’s final report is a private report to the Holy Father. It is not intended as a public document. If it is released, it may very well be in language not easily grasped by most laity. Hopefully, the Holy Father will come out with a public document not too long after the Synod.
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gilliam
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I don’t think this Synod is intended to be a private event. However the final document is a report to the Holy Father and as such not considered a public document. It will probably be released (at least in Italian) but the document is not intended as a communication to the faithful but to the Holy Father.While this may be, it does make me wonder if some of those inside the synod will talk to the media. If it is a private event and private document then we shouldn’t expect to hear any real news from anyone but the pope himself and it could take years to know anything. He might decide not say anything at all and leave everyone in a sort of limbo. Has there been a gag order on what those inside are allowed to say or not say? Why even make it private news?
One thing about this pope is that he is not a silent pope. Francis will sooner or later speak.
The only ‘gag order’ I know of is that the document they are currently reviewing and commenting on is to be kept ‘secret’ at this time. Everyone does expect the final document to be released (in at least Italian) on Saturday night. But it may be worded in such a way that is not easily understood by the laity.
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FollowChrist34
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This podcast is very good.
I agree that this push by the German bishops against “harshness” in standing Church practice with respect to the divorced and remarried and those in same-sex unions or other irregular situations is a straw man. This “straw man” aspect of the argument has not been emphasized enough. Given the fact the Church in its truth does not lack mercy and the majority of the bishops accordingly do not concur with this “straw man” push for modifications to teaching or practice on these issues, it is fair to say this effort by the German bishops hasn’t brought much more than divisiveness.
Which goes straight to the sum of what the Synod process has been about - I also agree with the comments here that it does all seem to be much ado about nothing. It will be a delicate balance indeed to draw substantive, constructive direction from these Synod sessions in a final report given that the strong consensus is to reaffirm Church teaching and practice as is. We are basically exactly where we started - plus a year’s worth of tension and division.
And the family? The state of marriage in the West?
Has the Synod helped families who are doing the right thing - to stand against secularism? Has it helped those outside of families who are doing the right thing? Is the Church stronger in the West, or in the world for that matter, post Synod?
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Corki
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Private doesn’t mean secret or even confidential. The report it TO the Holy Father, not TO the Church.While this may be, it does make me wonder if some of those inside the synod will talk to the media. If it is a private event and private document then we shouldn’t expect to hear any real news from anyone but the pope himself and it could take years to know anything. He might decide not say anything at all and leave everyone in a sort of limbo. Has there been a gag order on what those inside are allowed to say or not say? Why even make it private news?
Even if nothing is released, there is no “limbo”. Everything would continue along in the same way it has. Or the fruits of the discussion might be efforts by individual Bishops to shore up support for the family in their own dioceses. The Synod is not some kind of Congress where no action is equal to a failure. The gathering and the discussions are as important as any final report.
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PPeterson
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I’m pretty good at figuring out endings…
The Synod makes its recommendations. Pope Francis gives a deeply moving final address in which he upholds the traditions of the church, rejects innovation, and inspires the faithful world wide. All is well. Archbishop Chaput settles down for a well deserved sleep.
He wakes up feeling utterly refreshed. He spends several moments staring into the autumn sky in which we can clearly read the serenity and quiet optimism in his eyes. He even murmurs to himself, “yes perhaps it will be all right.”
He readies himself to return home. He calls for his car, still beaming with “not a care in the world.” He steps into his comfortable vehicle and the kindly driver greets him. They set off for the airport.
“Happy with the Synod your eminence?” the driver asks.
“Oh yes, very happy” replies the Archbishop.
“you know what they say…” the driver begins, an ever so slight note of irony creeping into his voice…
“what’s that?”
“Eternal and unchanging”
The driver turns around and is none other than Cardinal Walter Kasper!!!
He begins to laugh. Archbishop Chaput looks at the door and we see the locks automatically shut. We see his face from outside the car and it is clearly saying something like, “noooooooooooooooooooo…” The car speeds off…
TO ANOTHER SYNOD!!!
queue awesome squealing guitar
The Synod makes its recommendations. Pope Francis gives a deeply moving final address in which he upholds the traditions of the church, rejects innovation, and inspires the faithful world wide. All is well. Archbishop Chaput settles down for a well deserved sleep.
He wakes up feeling utterly refreshed. He spends several moments staring into the autumn sky in which we can clearly read the serenity and quiet optimism in his eyes. He even murmurs to himself, “yes perhaps it will be all right.”
He readies himself to return home. He calls for his car, still beaming with “not a care in the world.” He steps into his comfortable vehicle and the kindly driver greets him. They set off for the airport.
“Happy with the Synod your eminence?” the driver asks.
“Oh yes, very happy” replies the Archbishop.
“you know what they say…” the driver begins, an ever so slight note of irony creeping into his voice…
“what’s that?”
“Eternal and unchanging”
The driver turns around and is none other than Cardinal Walter Kasper!!!
He begins to laugh. Archbishop Chaput looks at the door and we see the locks automatically shut. We see his face from outside the car and it is clearly saying something like, “noooooooooooooooooooo…” The car speeds off…
TO ANOTHER SYNOD!!!
queue awesome squealing guitar
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dfp42
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Sorry, I don’t mean to be rude by asking these questions but…Private doesn’t mean secret or even confidential. The report it TO the Holy Father, not TO the Church.
Even if nothing is released, there is no “limbo”. Everything would continue along in the same way it has. Or the fruits of the discussion might be efforts by individual Bishops to shore up support for the family in their own dioceses. The Synod is not some kind of Congress where no action is equal to a failure. The gathering and the discussions are as important as any final report.
If the report is only to the Holy Father and not to the Church what does that mean exactly? Doesn’t this report effect the Church in some way? Also, why are are they having press meetings everyday? If this whole thing is no ones business and doesn’t change anything, why does it seem like everyone really wants to know the outcome? As far as saying there is no such thing as politics in the Catholic Church, why even have a vote? A vote on if the document says things such as communion for divorced and remarried is ok and being open to gays more seems to be a pretty big deal considering the church has already spoken clearly about these things. I don’t understand and probably never will… if the Holy Spirit is in charge of it, is it safe to say there’s absolutely no hidden agenda trying to be pushed?
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gilliam
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Today’s press conference in its entirety:
Press briefing on the works of the synod 2015.10.24
youtube.com/watch?v=B7VnF_mQ01o
Some notes:
Schönborn: there is a definition of family: the family consists of a man and a woman, their life together, faithful and open to life
Schönborn: there is a clear word for emerging countries that protest against political and financial circumstances opposed to the family
Schönborn: there is a clear word for emerging countries that are protesting against the financial and political circumstances contrary to the family
Schönborn:in the document there’s a clear paragraph that addresses the responsibility of governments to favor the family over all aspects
Schönborn: the precariousness of work is difficult to build family, the Synod has given special attention and understanding
Damascus: The Church wants to be close to families in extreme poverty, street children, divorced people
Schönborn: the document gives criteria to discern the various situations so the Church can accompany people
Schönborn:Church doctrine on homosexuality is clearly expressed in the Catechism of the Cath. Church,every person deserves respect
Schönborn: We live in a universal Church. There is always a balance between centralization and decentralization
Schönborn: (On divorced and remarried) speaks very gently, the key word is “discernment.” The cases are different.
Schönborn: the outcome of this synod is a great yes to the family, which is not an outdated model, but the most fundamental reality of the company
Press briefing on the works of the synod 2015.10.24
youtube.com/watch?v=B7VnF_mQ01o
Some notes:
Schönborn: there is a definition of family: the family consists of a man and a woman, their life together, faithful and open to life
Schönborn: there is a clear word for emerging countries that protest against political and financial circumstances opposed to the family
Schönborn: there is a clear word for emerging countries that are protesting against the financial and political circumstances contrary to the family
Schönborn:in the document there’s a clear paragraph that addresses the responsibility of governments to favor the family over all aspects
Schönborn: the precariousness of work is difficult to build family, the Synod has given special attention and understanding
Damascus: The Church wants to be close to families in extreme poverty, street children, divorced people
Schönborn: the document gives criteria to discern the various situations so the Church can accompany people
Schönborn:Church doctrine on homosexuality is clearly expressed in the Catechism of the Cath. Church,every person deserves respect
Schönborn: We live in a universal Church. There is always a balance between centralization and decentralization
Schönborn: (On divorced and remarried) speaks very gently, the key word is “discernment.” The cases are different.
Schönborn: the outcome of this synod is a great yes to the family, which is not an outdated model, but the most fundamental reality of the company
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Corki
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It means that the final report is not part of the authentic teaching of the Church. It is part of the Bishops, and especially the Cardinals, responsibility of advising the Pope.Sorry, I don’t mean to be rude by asking these questions but…
If the report is only to the Holy Father and not to the Church what does that mean exactly?
It might. It all depends on what the Pope does with the final report. Any actual effect won’t be directly from the Synod, but rahter, from other things that might occur such as encyclical, changes to canon law, directives from the CDW or the CDF (on the Pope’s direction).Doesn’t this report effect the Church in some way?
That’s an interesting question. This Pope is fascinating to the media. The Church has Synods at least every three years and most don’t draw any interest except for Church nerds.Also, why are are they having press meetings everyday?
IMHO, this is artificial. There are certain groups that are looking for a “sign” from the Synod that some big change will come in the Church. Most of these are unfounded expectations. A priest at one of the CINO publications actually said that the whole Synod would be a failure if it didn’t result in some huge change. That’s just nonsense.If this whole thing is no ones business and doesn’t change anything, why does it seem like everyone really wants to know the outcome?
Who says there are not politics in the Church?!? There are lots of politics in the Church. But this vote is to make sure that there is agreement on the wording of the final report.As far as saying there is no such thing as politics in the Catholic Church, why even have a vote?
They can vote to recommend a change but nothing changes until the Pope says so. The Pope is unlikely to make any huge change without the support of the majority of the Bishops. So a sense of how each group feels is important.A vote on if the document says things such as communion for divorced and remarried is ok and being open to gays more seems to be a pretty big deal considering the church has already spoken clearly about these things.
I don’t buy into the many conspiracy theories that are being floated around. But that doesn’t mean that some of the Synod fathers might not have (individually or in groups) an agenda to push, which may or may not be all that hidden. These are human beings and capable of human failings including confusion, pride or being overly influenced by secular agendas.I don’t understand and probably never will… if the Holy Spirit is in charge of it, is it safe to say there’s absolutely no hidden agenda trying to be pushed?
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