Polish National Catholic Church

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Do the Polish Catholic Church and other splinter groups have a valid Eucharist and other Sacraments?

It is confusing to come across churches with names like:
Polish Catholic Church
Polish National Catholic Church
Old Catholic Church
Saint Pious X

These Churches are not in full communion, but are their Sacraments valid? Is Christ wholly present in their Eucharist? Are their priestly ordinations still real?
 
Do the Polish Catholic Church and other splinter groups have a valid Eucharist and other Sacraments?

It is confusing to come across churches with names like:
Polish Catholic Church
Polish National Catholic Church
Old Catholic Church
Saint Pious X

These Churches are not in full communion, but are their Sacraments valid? Is Christ wholly present in their Eucharist? Are their priestly ordinations still real?
One at a time:

Polish Catholic Church usually refers to a Catholic parish which just happens to be an ethnic parish rather than a territorial one. They are in full and complete communion with the local diocese and the universal Church, and there’s no question that their Sacraments are valid–they are as much Catholic as any other Catholic.

Polish National Catholic Church is not in communion with the diocese or the Church, but they do have valid sacraments; including Eucharist and Holy Orders.

“Old Catholic” is harder to define because in recent years, they’ve been “ordaining” women. When they first broke from the Church (they were the ones who didn’t accept Vatican I–that’s Vatican one, not two), they had valid sacraments, but since then, they have moved so far from authentic sacramental theology that their ordinations are not valid, although in individual cases, some of them might be valid. This can get complicated, but overall they do not have valid sacraments. There are also different “branches” of Old Catholics.

St Pius X society broke away because they do not accept the novus ordo Mass; and here, I am very much oversimplifying the issues, I admit, but the issues themselves are a different topic for a different thread. They do have valid Sacraments and Apostolic Succession.

So, of all of them, the only one without the Eucharist, Holy Orders and Apostolic Succession (and the 3 go together), is the Old Catholics.
 
Polish National Catholic Church is not in communion with the diocese or the Church, but they do have valid sacraments; including Eucharist and Holy Orders…
They have Apostolic Sucession, but the PNCC in the US has been ordaining women, so the Sacraments would not be valid if that attempt to consecrate or absolve was done by a woman.
 
On the Polish Catholic Church.

Fr. David is quite correc that when you see a sign on a parish lawn in the US, it means that the parish is Roman Catholic with a Polish congregation.

There is a church called the Polish Catholic Church that is counterpart to the PNCC in Poland itself. You will not find a PCC parish in the US, they will be identified as being PNCC.
 
BTW do other ethnic parishes put signs out? My parish is a Black Catholic parish, we also have people of other ethnicities; however, out liturgy (especially music) reflects our African-American heritage.

We even have the Lead Me Guide Me the African-American Catholic Hymnal
 
BTW do other ethnic parishes put signs out? My parish is a Black Catholic parish, we also have people of other ethnicities; however, out liturgy (especially music) reflects our African-American heritage.

We even have the Lead Me Guide Me the African-American Catholic Hymnal
Some do, some don’t. It all depends upon the individual parish. Some will “publicize” it more than others.

There is a difference though between an “ethnic parish” and a “parish with ethnicity.” I’ll explain.

An “ethnic parish” is one which is non-territorial, but has been established specifically to serve the spiritual needs of a particular nationality. A Catholic is a member of a given parish, bases upon where he lives; parishes are territorial, just as someone in the United States is a resident of a particular state based on where he lives in relation to the state-lines. On the other hand, ethnic parishes are established for a particular nationality, and although they might also have territorial boundaries, they might overlap each other, and/or overlap territorial parishes (which is usually the case).

That’s a long way of saying that a parish can’t be both a territorial one (which is the norm), and an “ethnic parish” (which is the exception) at the same time. A territorial parish might very well have a majority of parishioners who are of a particular (or several similar) heritage, and that may be an important part of the parish life, but it’s still not an “ethnic parish” unless it was established specifically to be such.

To use the topic of this thread, a parish can only call itself a “Polish Catholic Church” if it was established as a parish to specifically serve people of Polish heritage.

If, on the other hand, it is a territorial parish (which all parishes are, unless they’re established otherwise), which just happens to be attended by people who are Polish (even if that is 100%), it would not be an ethnic parish. That’s what I meant in the beginning. We might call that a parish with an ethnicity, but it wouldn’t be an “ethnic parish.”

In recent years in the US, many European ethnic parishes have been closed, merged with neighboring parishes, or made into territorial parishes. Some still unofficially retain the name. St. Kasimir Polish Parish might have become St. Kasimir Parish a few years ago, and the designation was removed from the parish letterhead, bulletin, etc. but the name still appears on the church building carved into the stone (maybe even in Polish), and people might still call it “the Polish church” even though it’s no longer technically (canonically) an ethnic parish.
 
I was under the impression that the sacraments of penance and of marriage in a St. Pius X parish were not valid as they did not have the stamp of approval from the bishop of the diocese where they are located or the permission of the local pastor to witness a wedding in his parish. Please enlighten me.
 
I was under the impression that the sacraments of penance and of marriage in a St. Pius X parish were not valid as they did not have the stamp of approval from the bishop of the diocese where they are located or the permission of the local pastor to witness a wedding in his parish. Please enlighten me.
You have it right, they are invalid due to the lack of faculties from the local bishop.
 
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